(03-21-2024, 05:13 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @afortich Criollo said here that Shaka split them and Scar caught Guernsey while they were separated.

Willdfreelions saya the same thing but with the difference that he claims Shaka was the one to catch Guernsey before his brother arrived to finish the job.

In both versions Avoca was there. The problem was that, like others said, he wasn't ready to risk such a 2v2 fight.

(03-21-2024, 05:44 AM)afortich Wrote:

(03-21-2024, 05:13 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @afortich Criollo said here that Shaka split them and Scar caught Guernsey while they were separated.

Willdfreelions saya the same thing but with the difference that he claims Shaka was the one to catch Guernsey before his brother arrived to finish the job.

In both versions Avoca was there. The problem was that, like others said, he wasn't ready to risk such a 2v2 fight.

Ok, I didn't know that part. 
So it looks like that Avoca YM and Guernsey were being chased, got split and by the time Avoca YM returned, Guernsey was already caught and getting a beating from both Mbiris. Is my understanding correct??

(03-21-2024, 02:03 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-21-2024, 01:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: As for the nomadic males looking for the weakest coalition, I don't think what happened here proves this notion wrong.

Guernsey and Avoca were avoiding Mbiris until Shaka got injured and Scar too when Ngala reported that the Mbiris were going east into Kruger and returning with new injuries.

Guernsey and Avoca took the opportunity to push against Mbiris and attack their pride. They felt Mbiris were weak at that point.

But they probably didn't realize that the Mbiris were back to good shape, and pushed too far.

Still, big factor why they "chose" this area where few "Mbiri" females who where available for mating.

As where in Nhenha/NK case, where they go against prob strongest duo in area in PCMs.

Aswell as in Othawa Male case.

I dont think males think too much who are their opponents when theres females in estrus around.

As in Kambulas case, they where in the north and pushing for BDMs area when 3 NK females where in estrus, since that, they are not that much interested in that area looks like as they returned back to roaming larger area.

In majority of takeovers (not always), starting points are often females in estrus.

(03-21-2024, 12:25 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: So unless conditions of ageing Ross males (although not sure if they had any clashes with them)

(03-21-2024, 09:56 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I thought it was rare that guides released those 2 videos of Mbiri and Guernsey, but there was an unbelievable level of whining everywhere with people asking not to share such videos.

Due to that I doubt they'll release any more footage.

Which is ironic, when they don't release anything people attack them saying they were the ones to kill the lion ( see Nhenha case ), and when they do share, they complain about already knowing how the lion died and they are just posting "cruelty" for the sake of it.

(03-21-2024, 10:04 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Ttimemarti Avoca was at least 4,5, that'd be my guess because he was already bigger than Guernsey many months ago.

As Criollo said, they had a standoff with the Ross males which apparently ended in a stalemate.

But it shows how extraordinary the Mbiris are since they had defeated prime dominant males 2v2 when they were only 3,5yo.

@BA0701 Yeah in the Greater Kruger I'd think the PCM are the closest duo to the Mbiri in strength. Though further east into Kruger there's also the remaining Mjejane males Toya and Pretty Boy, 2 very powerful beasts.

(03-21-2024, 11:52 PM)Mapokser Wrote: He looks pretty big in the first photo, huge head.

Here the youngest Mangheni cub seen yesterday, 7 months old. Doesn't look as big as the Avoca despite his parents being huge:

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I think Avoca may have been 5yo already.