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RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - brotherbear - 01-24-2019
While I do not believe that the grizzly was ever the monster portrayed by many early American pioneers, I do believe that they have been somewhat tamed by the modern breech-load rifle. When I read from such sources as Lewis and Clark, I notice that the trouble was always started by the men. Nevertheless, in those days perhaps the grizzly was more prone to charge than he is today. The grizzly comes from a background of competing with mega-predators in Pleistocene N. America. When you make a count of them, there is no small wonder for the grizzly's inherited attitude. Also, as stated by Doug Peacock, over the past decades, the most predatory grizzlies have been systematically culled from the population. Those being the most aggressive. Also, in reading a number of books about the historical grizzly, they all agree on grizzlies of the prairie and in the Sierra Nevada Mountains being larger and more aggressive than those of the Rocky Mountains.
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Shadow - 01-24-2019
(01-24-2019, 05:40 PM)brotherbear Wrote: While I do not believe that the grizzly was ever the monster portrayed by many early American pioneers, I do believe that they have been somewhat tamed by the modern breech-load rifle. When I read from such sources as Lewis and Clark, I notice that the trouble was always started by the men. Nevertheless, in those days perhaps the grizzly was more prone to charge than he is today. The grizzly comes from a background of competing with mega-predators in Pleistocene N. America. When you make a count of them, there is no small wonder for the grizzly's inherited attitude. Also, as stated by Doug Peacock, over the past decades, the most predatory grizzlies have been systematically culled from the population. Those being the most aggressive. Also, in reading a number of books about the historical grizzly, they all agree on grizzlies of the prairie and in the Sierra Nevada Mountains being larger and more aggressive than those of the Rocky Mountains.
I agree, that certain natural fear has been earned by time in history. I have seen hypotheses, that bears and other animals have learned some respect for humans from a very long time because already with primitive weapons humans killed mammoths, cave lions, bears etc. And by time humans became all the time more and more dangerous for any animals. What you say is something very possible, I think. Anyway when looking at situation today or in last decades, brown bears at least seem to be in normal conditions quite harmless for people. Of course that doesn´t mean, that no need to be cautious and react if some individuals for some reason lose their natural respect for humans. Or like some cases in Russia have pointed out, if they in some area are starving by lack of berries etc... then there is need to be cautious. Like here last summer was terrible what comes to berries in large areas because of heat.
It can´t be forgotten what a bear is capable even though it would be rare, of course. So people who live in areas with big predators should have good information, not feeling "too safe", but also not seeing "monsters" all the time :)
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Shadow - 01-25-2019
10/10 for this guy filming this footage :) No crazy shouting, no panic reaction, still aware and using calm voice. For sure feeling every beat of heart same time :)
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - smedz - 01-26-2019
(01-25-2019, 05:05 AM)nobody Wrote:
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- April, before he came over for our May hunts, Kiche headed down to Kodiak with his friend Darrel and Darrel's Dad Larry, who had drawn a permit for our old Zachar Bay area. On the second day, in the middle of a snow storm, they got onto a big, old boar that squared 9 1/2 feet. The skull measured 27 10/16".
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- Max and his beautiful, perfectly furred, 10 footer with a 27 and 13/16" skull. 14 shots and a lot of running were involved to get this bear down.
*This image is copyright of its original author- Dow and his mighty 10' 1" squared bear, with a 26 and 14/16" skull. There was an even larger bear 500 yards out that this bear was moving away from, but this guy came up the glassing knob to us and at 80 yards Dow put him down.
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- Travis with his hunting party, who took a last minute cancellation hunt with only 9 hunting days remaining when he got to our camp, and his big and old 9' 11" squared bear. The skull went 27 and 11/16 ".
LINK ----> https://ninridgeguides.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=198565364
Disgusting, I really can't say I like these pathetic excuses for people. BTW, I made a separate thread on the hunting of predators in general, so feel free to take stuff like this over there.
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Shadow - 01-28-2019
Mother bear nursing her cubs. Summer 2016 in Finland.
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Lycaon - 01-30-2019
Some good news from one of my home countries. The brown bear was thought to be extinct in lebanon , until this video surfaced in 2016.
Shows a mother brown bear with a cub near the syrian border with lebanon.
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - nobody - 02-04-2019
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Shadow - 02-04-2019
(02-04-2019, 12:37 AM)nobody Wrote:
Some of those are really something
Actually I was thinking, that I haven´t seen Kodiak bears looking so fat as these from Alaskan coast. These bears at Brooke falls have so easy meals as it is possible. No wonder, that they have those fat bear contests online.
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - nobody - 02-04-2019
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Shadow - 02-04-2019
(02-04-2019, 12:59 PM)nobody Wrote:shitty reality
lucky day
Your first video is quite familiar here and seen before. Headline should be: Idiot charging a bear, never act like that when not knowing what you are doing.
Second video headline, not lucky day, but people who know bear behavior and don´t act like idiots.
That guy who shot that bear was just frankly speaking total idiot. He could have open a window and make noise to make bears away. Insted he go out and run towards a bear.....
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - nobody - 02-04-2019
(02-04-2019, 01:23 PM)Shadow Wrote:(02-04-2019, 12:59 PM)nobody Wrote:shitty reality
lucky day
Your first video is quite familiar here and seen before. Headline should be: Idiot charging a bear, never act like that when not knowing what you are doing.
Second video headline, not lucky day, but people who know bear behavior and don´t act like idiots.
That guy who shot that bear was just frankly speaking total idiot. He could have open a window and make noise to make bears away. Insted he go out and run towards a bear.....
take it easy, pro
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Shadow - 02-04-2019
(02-04-2019, 01:33 PM)nobody Wrote:(02-04-2019, 01:23 PM)Shadow Wrote:(02-04-2019, 12:59 PM)nobody Wrote:shitty reality
lucky day
Your first video is quite familiar here and seen before. Headline should be: Idiot charging a bear, never act like that when not knowing what you are doing.
Second video headline, not lucky day, but people who know bear behavior and don´t act like idiots.
That guy who shot that bear was just frankly speaking total idiot. He could have open a window and make noise to make bears away. Insted he go out and run towards a bear.....
take it easy, pro
Just gave my opinion, because guy on that first video was really risking his life in stupid way
Running towards mother bear with cubs is the most stupid thing anyone can do with bears. Same with any other animal too.
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - nobody - 02-04-2019
WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN
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https://www.wideopenspaces.com/wolves-kill-bears-den-hunters-make-grisly-discovery/
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Shadow - 02-05-2019
Brown bear cubs playing in snow in March 2018, place is Ähtäri zoo, Finland. A lot of wrestling between cubs on this one.
RE: Brown Bears (Info, Pics and Videos) - Smilodon-Rex - 02-05-2019
(01-24-2019, 05:40 PM)brotherbear Wrote: While I do not believe that the grizzly was ever the monster portrayed by many early American pioneers, I do believe that they have been somewhat tamed by the modern breech-load rifle. When I read from such sources as Lewis and Clark, I notice that the trouble was always started by the men. Nevertheless, in those days perhaps the grizzly was more prone to charge than he is today. The grizzly comes from a background of competing with mega-predators in Pleistocene N. America. When you make a count of them, there is no small wonder for the grizzly's inherited attitude. Also, as stated by Doug Peacock, over the past decades, the most predatory grizzlies have been systematically culled from the population. Those being the most aggressive. Also, in reading a number of books about the historical grizzly, they all agree on grizzlies of the prairie and in the Sierra Nevada Mountains being larger and more aggressive than those of the Rocky Mountains.Brown bears would kill many livestock, here is the research
Bear-Livestock Conflicts
Coexistence in a Crowded World: Brown Bears and Livestock Depredation
By Kimberly Rigano
Introduction
People have a history of exploiting carnivore populations. Humans view carnivores as dangerous thieves. In reality, humans and carnivores are just species which happen to share similar needs for high calorie diets and large amounts of land bringing us into competition with one another. This competition often involves food resources and in particular livestock. Bears are particularly large predators with voracious appetites. Conflict between bears and humans is a worldwide problem occurring in “hotspots” where anthropogenic attractants and bear habitat overlap. Conflict is actually increasing in many areas where bears were once eliminated and have now been reintroduced or are expanding their populations. This is in part due to re-growth of forested areas throughout North America providing increased bear habitat. Conflict involving livestock depredation may also be attributed to modern livestock management. People no longer practice traditional methods of livestock management and as a society have effectively forgotten how to coexist with bears.
What is Causing Bears to Attack Livestock?
Bears are omnivores meaning that they will eat a variety of foods from plant matter to insects and meat. They are also hibernators and must consume huge amounts of food during the fall to gain enough weight to survive winter. During this time they can gain over 3 lbs each day (6). Because bears have such high resource demands, it may appear that bears kill livestock out of necessity to fulfill their daily energy requirements. However, in most areas, their diet consists of over 90% vegetation, and depredation does not correlate with the abundance of natural resources indicating that bears do not attack livestock because they are lacking natural sources of food. Data on livestock losses in Europe show that depredation is not the result of large carnivore populations either, as the small population of 25 to 55 bears in Norway kill more livestock than the more than 2,000 bears in Sweden (4).
Instead, attacks on agricultural animals are related to livestock management. Bone yards where ranchers deposit carcasses are the main attractant associated with bear conflict. Certain livestock operations are also more high risk than others. In almost every country where bears and sheep exist together, sheep account for the majority of livestock killed by bears. Sheep are smaller and more vulnerable than cattle with their only defense being their strong flocking instincts. Lambing and calving areas also have high probabilities of bear predation because newly born animals are easy prey. Other livestock management characteristics correlated with high predation rates include animals which are untended for long periods and those that are left out at night when the majority of bear attacks occur.
Another major factor associated with predation is habitat. Most depredation events occur near forest cover with permanent sources of water because this is ideal bear habitat which often overlaps with livestock grazing. In Norway, high levels of depredation are correlated with a large number of sheep grazed near forested areas overnight (4). In the Himalayan Mountains, the majority of sheep are killed during the fall hyperphagic period when bears have an insatiable appetite to gain weight before hibernation. However, the fall was also when sheep were moved into higher elevation alpine meadows where bears in this region reside. Depredation was also associated with lack of human presence (2). In many countries in Europe, people have abandoned their traditional lifestyles of living with and protecting livestock. Today, bear populations are on the rise, especially in Europe and specific areas of the U.S. such as the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem in Idaho and Montana and Yellowstone National Park, but people remain resistant to changes in livestock management.
Is Depredation a Learned Behavior?
Livestock are an easily accessible food source compared to their wild counterparts. Thus, when bears come in contact with livestock, they often kill more animals than they can eat leaving carcasses behind. Bears are opportunistic feeders, so this is normal adaptive behavior for them as it is advantageous to kill multiple animals at once when predation is easy. This occurs less in the wild because multiple kills are typically difficult with wild ungulates (6). Near Yellowstone, all bears that had access to sheep attacked them. Of the 37 bears collared, only four returned to the same areas at the same time of year after predating livestock (5). All bears that killed livestock exhibited normal foraging behavior similar to that of other bears. This indicates that killing livestock is not a unique behavior that’s only learned by a few problem bears. Livestock depredation is the result of easy foraging opportunities.
There is evidence to suggest that bears do learn some foraging behaviors from their mother. However, in Yellowstone, yearling offspring of problem bears that were then separated from their mother were not more likely to kill livestock than cubs of non-conflict bears, so this is not a behavior acquired during the first year of life. Also, bear depredation is usually concentrated in a few hotspots, and predation rate does not decrease when a few problem bears are removed (6). This indicates that predation is more strongly correlated to habitat attributes. Males are implicated in depredation events more than females. This may be due to the tendency for males to travel more and the greater likelihood for them to come into contact with livestock. There also may be something intrinsic about male behavior that causes them to attack livestock such as boldness or aggression. Yet, few studies have been done on personality differences between conflict and non-conflict bears. Larger male body size and dietary requirements also may cause them to search for food with more protein than females. All bears that attacked full-grown cattle outside of Yellowstone were adult males (5). Bears of all age classes killed sheep, but juveniles exhibited less caution in doing so and were caught and killed more often as a result. One yearling and juvenile male in Wyoming together killed over 30 sheep in one night (6). Adult bears typically kill one or two sheep on the outer edges of the herd and are thus better at avoiding herders. Bears may learn to improve their ability to kill livestock without getting caught. This may mean that juveniles do not necessarily predate livestock at a higher rate; they may just get caught more.
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Implications
One of the most significant implications of livestock depredation is that it decreases public support for bear conservation which can impact on the probability of survival for bear populations. In fact, plans to reintroduce bears to the Bitterroot Mountains in Idaho were abandoned due to public opposition. For ranchers and livestock owners, hostility toward carnivores, and in particular bears, originates from financial losses incurred by bear predation. Bears do not actually account for a large percentage of overall livestock losses, typically less than 1%, but locally losses can be significant. In Montana, 75% of documented conflict events occurred in “hotspots” that comprised only 8% of the study area (10). On the Upper Green River Cattle Allotment in western Wyoming, uncompensated financial impacts from 1995–2004 due to grizzly bear attacks on calves were $222,500 (9). In the Targhee National Forest twice as many sheep were lost as a result of herding practices as those killed in bear attacks, and yet most livestock managers believe carnivores pose the greatest threat to their animals (5).
Depredation also results in the death of bears when individuals are killed by ranchers as well as legally by the Fish and Wildlife service. Thus, conflict over livestock is a significant source of mortality for brown bears especially in the small, isolated populations such as those that exist in the lower 48 states. Approximately 7% of all human‐caused grizzly bear mortalities between 1998 and 2011 in the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem were due to management removal actions associated with livestock depredations. At least 51 of 89 management removals were due to attractants such as carcasses that could have been avoided (7). These high removal rates do not always prevent livestock depredation and often result in individual bears being killed that were not involved in the conflict.