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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - BorneanTiger - 01-29-2020
(01-19-2020, 10:53 PM)LazarBeam110 Wrote: A young lion 1895
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Did you get that from Happyknowledge.com, which has pictures of both lions and leopards? https://www.happyknowledge.com/post/Le%20bisounours/VmcELxEtQwkSdTgL
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - LazarLazar - 01-30-2020
Another subspecies very closely related to the Asian lion - the Barbary lion or Panthera leo leo - became extinct in the wild in 1922 (in Morocco). This Barbary lion had been the dominant animal in the blood sports of the Roman arenas.
http://www.pothos.org/content/indexedda.html?page=lions
RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - BorneanTiger - 01-31-2020
(01-30-2020, 01:10 AM)LazarLazar Wrote: Another subspecies very closely related to the Asian lion - the Barbary lion or Panthera leo leo - became extinct in the wild in 1922 (in Morocco). This Barbary lion had been the dominant animal in the blood sports of the Roman arenas.
http://www.pothos.org/content/indexedda.html?page=lions
Aside from the fact that the Barbary lion has now been grouped into the same subspecies as Asiatic lions and lions in northern parts of Africa (including West Africa), that is the Northern lion (Panthera leo leo; see my reply here), it's not necessary that the last wild Barbary lion became extinct in even 1942, because it's possible that a small remnant population may have survived in remote montane areas into the early 1960s: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3616087/
Map of subspecies of lions by the Cat Specialist Group, 2017, pages 71–73: https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/32616/A_revised_Felidae_Taxonomy_CatNews.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y#page=71
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - Lycaon - 02-23-2020
Atlas lion in sindibad park Morocco.
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - BorneanTiger - 02-23-2020
(02-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Lycaon Wrote: Atlas lion in sindibad park Morocco.
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Or a partial Atlas lion, if you like, with possible Central African roots, though this male in Casablanca is pretty impressive, more robust than the lions in Rabat's Zoo, like you said earlier here.
RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - BorneanTiger - 03-28-2020
As mentioned in the thread for the Asiatic lion, Reginald Innes Pocock had published the book "The Fauna Of British India Including Ceylon And Burma Mammalia (Volume 1)", in which he talked about the Asiatic lion, as well as African lions to a lesser extent. In pages 218–220, he mentioned that Captain Smee thought that Gujarati or Indian lions differed from African lions by their smaller manes. Pocock reckoned that Captain Smee's conception of African lions having bigger manes was probably due to specimens kept at European menageries (which can have thicker manes than wild lions), or due to the heavy manes of Barbary lions from Algeria or Cape lions from what was the Cape Colony, which had often been exported to Europe for exhibition in the early part of the 19th century. This thread is dedicated to Like how the Barbary lion of the Maghreb (Northwest Africa) was the type specimen for the Northern subspecies of lions in northern parts of Africa and Eurasia (particularly India), which was given the trinomen Panthera leo leo by the Cat Specialist Group in 2017, the Cape lion of modern South Africa was the type specimen for the Southern subspecies of lions in Southern and Eastern Africa, which were given the trinomen Panthera leo melanochaita, more details here: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-cape-lion-panthera-leo-melanochaita-melanochaitus?pid=111709#pid111709
RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - BorneanTiger - 03-28-2020
This is a book about animals that were kept at the Tower Menagerie in London, from the year 1829. It speaks of there being 3 varieties of lions, the Bengal lion (Asiatic lion), the Cape lion, and the Barbary lion, and it mentions that the Bengal lion had a more extensive mane than the Cape lion, though the Cape lion was bigger than both the Asiatic lion and other African lions! https://archive.org/stream/towermenagerieco00benn#page/24/mode/2up
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - Rishi - 04-30-2020
The lines in this photo look so eerily similar to what about a Barbary pride would have looked like, in the Mediterranean forests of northern Atlas range.
Pic by TjMoody Wild Animal Photography — at Woodland Park Zoo.
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - Lycaon - 05-06-2020
Another angle of that well known photo.
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - Asad981 - 05-08-2020
Since the Great Barbary lion is extinct it does not have any scientific studies on it. Our best source on the habits and accounts of barbary lions come from a French hunter, The Lion-killer. I will post many accounts and information about North African lions from his books later, stay tuned.
Jules Gerard
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - Asad981 - 05-09-2020
Painting depicting a fight between two male Barbary lions while a lioness watches the fight. Circa 1890
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - Sully - 02-08-2021
"In contrast, it appears that lions in North Africa maintained a heterozygosity comparable to the present-day southern lions even within ca. 100 y from their extinction."
This suggests their persecution must have been extremely rapid
The evolutionary history of extinct and living lions | PNAS
RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - lfelipe86 - 12-12-2023
Good Morning! There were recent sightings of barbary lions in Morocco close to were the last ones were killed or sighted during the mid 20th century! There is a moroccan documentary about a recent sighting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pLLabCToX8&t=2607s
RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - TheHyenid76 - 12-12-2023
(12-12-2023, 07:00 PM)lfelipe86 Wrote: Good Morning! There were recent sightings of barbary lions in Morocco close to were the last ones were killed or sighted during the mid 20th century! There is a moroccan documentary about a recent sighting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pLLabCToX8&t=2607s
Incredible find and full credits to you! Whether this man really saw the lion or not is not an issue. There is vast Arabic and persian literature on Middle eastern fauna. The famous Mahmud Al Ghazni (who was the one really kick-started the full Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent) hunting lions and other mammals have been recorded by historians. Also it is incredible that we have images of live North African lions (captive but still). This is (allegedly) a painting of the last lions in Persepolis. Quite a few Farsi webpages claim this
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RE: Barbary or Atlas lions - lfelipe86 - 12-14-2023
(12-12-2023, 09:05 PM)TheHyenid76 Wrote:(12-12-2023, 07:00 PM)lfelipe86 Wrote: Good Morning! There were recent sightings of barbary lions in Morocco close to were the last ones were killed or sighted during the mid 20th century! There is a moroccan documentary about a recent sighting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pLLabCToX8&t=2607s
Incredible find and full credits to you! Whether this man really saw the lion or not is not an issue. There is vast Arabic and persian literature on Middle eastern fauna. The famous Mahmud Al Ghazni (who was the one really kick-started the full Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent) hunting lions and other mammals have been recorded by historians. Also it is incredible that we have images of live North African lions (captive but still). This is (allegedly) a painting of the last lions in Persepolis. Quite a few Farsi webpages claim this
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Thank you! Great, amazing photo! But i believe those are asiatic lions! I have found a book that shows some information and very rare photos of barbary lions from North Africa at the Leiden museum! One thing that called my attention is their size! They don´t seem to be very big, in fact, they are way smaller than the average size for lions! The average height of a male lion at the shoulders is about 1,2m and the larger one in book is a little bit above 1m!!
https://archive.org/details/zeitschriftfrsu351970deut/page/34/mode/1up?view=theater