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RE: Lions of Timbavati - T Rabbit - 07-16-2017
(07-05-2017, 03:09 AM)Chris Wrote: But the avoca males still have territory in the north and they are looking to takeover the thanda impi males territory and females. That's why the thanda impi males and the females moved south because they heard the roars of the 3 gigantic avoca males. The avoca males are bigger and stronger.
to tell the true, these adult avocas tried already to take over the thanda imp males territory but they failed. the thanda imp males won the fight and could keep their territory. i remember that tintswalo lodge bet that the avocas would take over the area cause they are very big males. but different from the expectations, the thanda imps defeated them. after that fight the avocas never more tried to take over the central parts of manyeleti. skorro male is an agressive dominant male. looks like he fight very well!
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Spalea - 07-16-2017
@Gamiz :
About #419: What a hunt ! What a formidable male lion ! I'm completely staggered to see him attaking the whole buffalo herd and killing one beast...
But that was dangerous for the observers too ! The herd in total panic would have been able to crash into a vehicle.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - stoja9 - 07-17-2017
Holy crap that was badass. Ans how terrifying would it be in that jeep and seeing that herd running at you, literally for their lives.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Chris - 07-18-2017
(07-16-2017, 02:09 AM)T Rabbit Wrote:(07-05-2017, 03:09 AM)Chris Wrote: But the avoca males still have territory in the north and they are looking to takeover the thanda impi males territory and females. That's why the thanda impi males and the females moved south because they heard the roars of the 3 gigantic avoca males. The avoca males are bigger and stronger.
to tell the true, these adult avocas tried already to take over the thanda imp males territory but they failed. the thanda imp males won the fight and could keep their territory. i remember that tintswalo lodge bet that the avocas would take over the area cause they are very big males. but different from the expectations, the thanda imps defeated them. after that fight the avocas never more tried to take over the central parts of manyeleti. skorro male is an agressive dominant male. looks like he fight very well!
So why did the thanda impi males and the mbiri pride moved south when they heard the 3 HUGE AVOCAS. And one again I don't see 2 males would scare off 3 gigantic adult males. Plus the thanda impi male sizzani is in weak condition.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T Rabbit - 07-18-2017
(07-18-2017, 01:59 AM)Chris Wrote:this fight was in the last year i think, many months ago. im not shore but the thanda imps found one avoca male, not two. tintswalo reported that the one avoca appeared with some fresh scracthes on his face after entered in the thanda imp male territory. as the take over not happened and the thanda imp still with the mbiri girls, tintswalo said that the avocas could not take over the area. and in the most part of the tintswalo articles updates the tanda imp males are much more often than the avocas. ill try to find the article about the fight between them.(07-16-2017, 02:09 AM)T Rabbit Wrote:(07-05-2017, 03:09 AM)Chris Wrote: But the avoca males still have territory in the north and they are looking to takeover the thanda impi males territory and females. That's why the thanda impi males and the females moved south because they heard the roars of the 3 gigantic avoca males. The avoca males are bigger and stronger.
to tell the true, these adult avocas tried already to take over the thanda imp males territory but they failed. the thanda imp males won the fight and could keep their territory. i remember that tintswalo lodge bet that the avocas would take over the area cause they are very big males. but different from the expectations, the thanda imps defeated them. after that fight the avocas never more tried to take over the central parts of manyeleti. skorro male is an agressive dominant male. looks like he fight very well!
So why did the thanda impi males and the mbiri pride moved south when they heard the 3 HUGE AVOCAS. And one again I don't see 2 males would scare off 3 gigantic adult males. Plus the thanda impi male sizzani is in weak conditthis fight was
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T Rabbit - 07-18-2017
(07-18-2017, 01:59 AM)Chris Wrote:that is what im talking about:(07-16-2017, 02:09 AM)T Rabbit Wrote:(07-05-2017, 03:09 AM)Chris Wrote: But the avoca males still have territory in the north and they are looking to takeover the thanda impi males territory and females. That's why the thanda impi males and the females moved south because they heard the roars of the 3 gigantic avoca males. The avoca males are bigger and stronger.
to tell the true, these adult avocas tried already to take over the thanda imp males territory but they failed. the thanda imp males won the fight and could keep their territory. i remember that tintswalo lodge bet that the avocas would take over the area cause they are very big males. but different from the expectations, the thanda imps defeated them. after that fight the avocas never more tried to take over the central parts of manyeleti. skorro male is an agressive dominant male. looks like he fight very well!
So why did the thanda impi males and the mbiri pride moved south when they heard the 3 HUGE AVOCAS. And one again I don't see 2 males would scare off 3 gigantic adult males. Plus the thanda impi male sizzani is in weak condition.
The Mbiri pride have been at the center of the drama, and the two coalitions seem to be competing for the same pride. The pride has been seen interacting with both coalitions as well, seemingly unable to make their minds up...they were found close to that area, at Khoka Moya camp, where they spent the day. We then didn’t see the Mbiri’s for a few days, until they were found flirting with the thanda impi males on Catwalk west. This was after the Thanda Impi males ganged up on one of the Avoca males. The tracks suggest that the Avoca male was with the Mbiri pride at the time of the attack.
The first sighting we had of the Thanda Impi’s was on the 3rd of July (2016). One of the Avoca males was calling, and the Thanda Impi’s were found responding to these roars on Helens road. We followed as they roared and scent marked, moving east and securing the area around the Nharhu pride, with whom they have 10 cubs at the moment...It all seemed to have quietened down, until the morning of the 5th of July. The guys found one of the Avoca male Lions, looking quite badly beaten up. The Thanda Impi males, were then found with the Mbiri pride, only a short distance away on Catwalk west. They seem to have timed their move very well, finding the much larger Avoca male without his brother. Relying on team work to secure their territory! The mark of a successful coalition of male Lions...The Thanda Impi’s had double teamed him, and he had an injured eye and some serious looking bite marks on his back legs. Round one to the Thanda Impi’s.
this article was posted better here on page 8 by Tshokwane
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tshokwane - 07-18-2017
(07-18-2017, 01:59 AM)Chris Wrote: And one again I don't see 2 males would scare off 3 gigantic adult males. Plus the thanda impi male sizzani is in weak condition.
It's a combination of things. Unless the rival coalition is in fact trying to take over a land, then they go about it very carefully. One thing for them is scaring away 2 males in the border of the land, and another different is doing it in the very core of their territory, where they would have the advantage.
You need to keep in mind that lions, like most animals, try to minimize the risk of injury, so if they can chase them away without an actual fight, they will try to do so.
Fighting is the last resort.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - epaiva - 07-18-2017
(07-15-2017, 11:30 AM)YGamiz Wrote: Skorro Thanda Impi male is a monster!!
Incredible video incredible powerful Lion
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Chris - 07-18-2017
(07-03-2017, 04:59 AM)Tshokwane Wrote: Credits to Christof Schoeman - Tintswalo Safari Lodge.
Safari Update
The last 2 days has been epic at Tintswalo Safari Lodge in the Manyeleti Game Reserve!
We all were very lucky to spend some time with the 3 gigantic Avoca Male Lions in the North of the Reserve! These boys managed to bring down a young Buffalo bull and is still currently in the same area feasting on their success.
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The Thanda Impi male Lions and the rest of the Mbiri pride including the cubs has moved further to the South close to the Lodge on River road . They must have heard the distant roars of the Avoca males and was forced to move the cubs further away too safety. Its going to be interesting to see if the Avoca’s move back North after their visit, or will they penetrate deeper into Thanda Impi country! The Thanda Impi male lions were found this morning at Ingwemanzi.
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Gamiz - 07-18-2017
From Tintswalo Safari Lodge
Safari Update
The last couple of days the Mbiri pride has been quite stationary in the Northern section of the Thanda Impi male lions territory. The only change to the prides condition is that one of the 6 month old cubs was limping very badly from an injury to one of the front legs. The Thanda Impi male lions 'Sizanani' and ‘Scorro' has been spending most of their time with the rest of the pride, napping in close vicinity.
Skorro
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Sizanani
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Gamiz - 07-18-2017
UPDATE ON THE MACHATON MALES !!!
At the begining of june pondoro posted some info and photos of 3 males that they thought were the river pride males.a few days later they said "these three males are not the River Pride males we thought were (after not being seen for some time) but are actually males that we are not familiar with."
I was able to ID only 2 of the males by looking at some old photos and comparing wiskkers and scars etc...one of the males that pondoro saw had a scar close to his right eye exactly like one of the machaton males who had the same scar for many years.after comparing the wiskkers of the first male and the 2nd male with older photos i was 100% sure it was indeed at least 2 of the machaton males .as for the 3rd male i couldnt tell who it was couse the photo was not good enough to compare.so i asked some of the guides in balule to send me photos of the 3rd male if and when theyll see the males next.
About 10 days ago Karl van der Westhuizen sent me clear photos of the 3rd male(right side and left side of the face),and after comparing with older photos it was indeed the 3rd machaton male.
Im not sure as to where the 4th machaton male is couse in the last 2 months or so there were sightings of only the 3 males In balule as far as i know,and it is most likely that the machaton males were the ones who had the fight with the big mohlabetsi male recently although no one actually witness the fight.
The photos below are of the 3 machaton males old with recent.
Thanks to Karl van der Westhuizen and Johan Adolf Smalman for the photos and help.
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Chris - 07-18-2017
Wow the Machonton males are very confident males going against 8 males. And there confidence will be greater when the 4th males is with them.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Lionpower - 07-19-2017
Credits to Tintswalo Safari Lodge
"The highlight of the Lion sightings were the 4 Avoca/Giraffe male Lions that made their way deep into the Thanda Impi’s territory 2 days ago! They were sent marking and vocalising constantly not hiding their intentions. These males were sniffing the area of Windy/Windy rd where the Mbiri lionesses and the cubs were hanging around on a regular base the last few weeks. Luckily, the Mbiri lionesses took their cubs too the far South Western corner of their territory close to the lodge. The injured Thanda Impi male ’Sizanani’ was found with the Lionesses and the cubs. The dominant Thanda Impi male Lion ‘Scorro’ was found about 200m from the 4 rivals vocalising every 10 min. The four new males were searching nonstop for Scorro and his pride. That afternoon all hell broke loose when the Avoca/giraffe males eventually found Scorro by himself and chased him relentlessly towards the East away from his own territory! Emotions were running high and we all thought that a pride take over was imminent. We lost visual of the Males and thought that this was the last of Scorro and possibly the cubs if they find them!
The next morning, we found the entire Mbiri pride with both Thanda Impi males on Panicum rd close to the lodge. Scorro was without a scratch sleeping as if comatose!
Was he cleverly distracting the 4 new males away from his territory by letting them chase him, and then dodge them at the last minute? Whatever happened that night, we all were amazed that he was still alive! For now, the Thanda Impi’s are still holding on whilst the Avoca /Giraffe males haven’t been seen ever since. Have they returned too the North or have they ventured towards the Southern sector of the Reserve? We will just have to wait and see."
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Are these the Avoca/Giraffe Males?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Fredymrt - 07-20-2017
(07-19-2017, 10:00 PM)Lionpower Wrote: Are these the Avoca/Giraffe Males?
These are the Avoca\Giraffe males
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The Two young Avoca Males in mala mala were Fathered by the two old avoca males in the pictures above
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Chris - 07-20-2017
(07-20-2017, 12:08 AM)Fredymrt Wrote:Are these the avoca males who are fathers of the 7 or avoca/giraffe males and the 2 younger avocas in londolozi? I thought they were only 3 but apparently they are 4?(07-19-2017, 10:00 PM)Lionpower Wrote: Are these the Avoca/Giraffe Males?
These are the Avoca\Giraffe males
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The Two young Avoca Males in mala mala were Fathered by the two old avoca males in the pictures above