+- WildFact (https://wildfact.com/forum)
+-- Forum: Information Section (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-information-section)
+--- Forum: Terrestrial Wild Animals (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-terrestrial-wild-animals)
+---- Forum: Wild Cats (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-wild-cats)
+----- Forum: Lion (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-lion)
+----- Thread: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage (/topic-avoca-male-lions-and-their-male-lineage)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ngonya - 03-04-2025
Darker Nkuhuma boy, Ridge Nose's son, with a buffalo calf carcass during January 2025
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ngonya - 03-07-2025
Darker Nkuhuma boy, Ridge Nose's son at Kruger National Park
*This image is copyright of its original author
by Biodivmax Thr
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Fenix123 - 03-07-2025
Khanya Talamati with some injuries
Credits to johnnwilliamss
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - BA0701 - 03-07-2025
(03-07-2025, 07:46 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: Khanya Talamati with some injuries
Credits to johnnwilliamss
I wonder where Nkuhuma is, perhaps they clashed with the Nwas, or, depending on where in Londolozi, they may have clashed with the PCMs as well.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Mapokser - 03-07-2025
Nobody's as experienced in being attacked as a nomad than NK, he is probably fine somehwere else, especially considering how Talamati was the one caught.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - sunless - 03-07-2025
(03-07-2025, 08:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(03-07-2025, 07:46 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: Khanya Talamati with some injuries
Credits to johnnwilliamss
I wonder where Nkuhuma is, perhaps they clashed with the Nwas, or, depending on where in Londolozi, they may have clashed with the PCMs as well.
He is said to be there with Khanya and just in the bush, the 2 have been going back and forth in Singita even though they are chased last week they have gone back 4 days ago and maybe chased again today by the PCM. Seems like Nkuhuma and Talamati Male is trying the waters in Singita if they can control a pride there.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - KM600 - 03-07-2025
The one positive is that NK is still with him, we seen him completely disappear from both Tumbela and Skorro Orpen the second they had confrontations with the nearby coalitions.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - BA0701 - 03-07-2025
(03-07-2025, 09:24 PM)sunless Wrote:(03-07-2025, 08:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(03-07-2025, 07:46 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: Khanya Talamati with some injuries
Credits to johnnwilliamss
I wonder where Nkuhuma is, perhaps they clashed with the Nwas, or, depending on where in Londolozi, they may have clashed with the PCMs as well.
He is said to be there with Khanya and just in the bush, the 2 have been going back and forth in Singita even though they are chased last week they have gone back 4 days ago and maybe chased again today by the PCM. Seems like Nkuhuma and Talamati Male is trying the waters in Singita if they can control a pride there.
Manghenis are the only ones in that area that might be available. One of the biggest hurdles for them, imo, is Nkuhuma's penchant for aggression towards the females of prides he is attempting to take over, he is known to have been involved in killing and injuring a few.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - NLAL11 - 03-08-2025
(03-07-2025, 09:54 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(03-07-2025, 09:24 PM)sunless Wrote:(03-07-2025, 08:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(03-07-2025, 07:46 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: Khanya Talamati with some injuries
Credits to johnnwilliamss
I wonder where Nkuhuma is, perhaps they clashed with the Nwas, or, depending on where in Londolozi, they may have clashed with the PCMs as well.
He is said to be there with Khanya and just in the bush, the 2 have been going back and forth in Singita even though they are chased last week they have gone back 4 days ago and maybe chased again today by the PCM. Seems like Nkuhuma and Talamati Male is trying the waters in Singita if they can control a pride there.
Manghenis are the only ones in that area that might be available. One of the biggest hurdles for them, imo, is Nkuhuma's penchant for aggression towards the females of prides he is attempting to take over, he is known to have been involved in killing and injuring a few.
Yeah, not sure I want them going anywhere near the Mhangenis to be honest. Hope the pride can avoid them.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - BA0701 - 03-08-2025
(03-08-2025, 12:16 AM)NLAL11 Wrote:(03-07-2025, 09:54 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(03-07-2025, 09:24 PM)sunless Wrote:(03-07-2025, 08:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(03-07-2025, 07:46 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: Khanya Talamati with some injuries
Credits to johnnwilliamss
I wonder where Nkuhuma is, perhaps they clashed with the Nwas, or, depending on where in Londolozi, they may have clashed with the PCMs as well.
He is said to be there with Khanya and just in the bush, the 2 have been going back and forth in Singita even though they are chased last week they have gone back 4 days ago and maybe chased again today by the PCM. Seems like Nkuhuma and Talamati Male is trying the waters in Singita if they can control a pride there.
Manghenis are the only ones in that area that might be available. One of the biggest hurdles for them, imo, is Nkuhuma's penchant for aggression towards the females of prides he is attempting to take over, he is known to have been involved in killing and injuring a few.
Yeah, not sure I want them going anywhere near the Mhangenis to be honest. Hope the pride can avoid them.
Agreed, and I have always hoped for Nkuhuma's success, but not at the cost of anyone else's.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - MrLoesoe - 03-08-2025
Hey guys I have a few questions, I came across this video from October 2023, featuring Khanya Talamati male, clearly recognizable through his 'bald' head, his brother, and the Nkhumuma male.
Is this the same Nkuhuma male he is in a coalition with at the moment? If yes, Khanya Talamati and him have been in a coalition before their current partnership? Or is this a different male?
And, is this 'the' brother of Khanya, Dzwihala, of whom I read earlier on this forum that he was huge (he is indeed I now see, bulky compared to Khanya, who is not exactly small either. And both are tall) and had great potential, but unfortunately dissappeared?
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - afortich - 03-08-2025
(03-08-2025, 01:47 AM)MrLoesoe Wrote: Hey guys I have a few questions, I came across this video from October 2023, featuring Khanya Talamati male, clearly recognizable through his 'bald' head, his brother, and the Nkhumuma male.
Is this the same Nkuhuma male he is in a coalition with at the moment? If yes, Khanya Talamati and him have been in a coalition before their current partnership? Or is this a different male?
And, is this 'the' brother of Khanya, Dzwihala, of whom I read earlier on this forum that he was huge (he is indeed I now see, bulky compared to Khanya, who is not exactly small either. And both are tall) and had great potential, but unfortunately dissappeared?
Yes, he is the same. Always accepted by Khanya, DM junior didn't fully accept NYM.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - KM600 - 03-08-2025
(03-08-2025, 01:53 AM)afortich Wrote:(03-08-2025, 01:47 AM)MrLoesoe Wrote: Hey guys I have a few questions, I came across this video from October 2023, featuring Khanya Talamati male, clearly recognizable through his 'bald' head, his brother, and the Nkhumuma male.
Is this the same Nkuhuma male he is in a coalition with at the moment? If yes, Khanya Talamati and him have been in a coalition before their current partnership? Or is this a different male?
And, is this 'the' brother of Khanya, Dzwihala, of whom I read earlier on this forum that he was huge (he is indeed I now see, bulky compared to Khanya, who is not exactly small either. And both are tall) and had great potential, but unfortunately dissappeared?
Yes, he is the same. Always accepted by Khanya, DM junior didn't fully accept NYM.
Not true, we have no idea why NK left these two boys aside from the fact he sought out their sisters who had just moved south to be controlled by the Gijimas.
There is not a single video showing Khanya bonding with NK without his brother there around the time they all joined together, but there is video footage of NK being more bonded to Dzwihala, being they had already joined together previously in Northern Sabi Sands.
Ppl just claim Dzwihala was most prolly the reason why the partnership ended as he was likely the most dominant of the 3, which never made any sense as one male has to be the most dominant. It doesn’t automatically mean they are the reason the group fractures.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Tr1x24 - 03-08-2025
(03-08-2025, 02:15 AM)KM600 Wrote: Ppl just claim Dzwihala was most prolly the reason why the partnership ended as he was likely the most dominant of the 3, which never made any sense as one male has to be the most dominant. It doesn’t automatically mean they are the reason the group fractures.
DM male and NK where hanging alone when Khanya was absent for few weeks, so i dont think he was the problem either, as he and NK where more closer back then than NK and Khanya.
At that time NK was jumping in between Skorro Orpen, Tumbela and Talamatis, but didnt stick with neither.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - afortich - 03-08-2025
(03-08-2025, 02:15 AM)KM600 Wrote:(03-08-2025, 01:53 AM)afortich Wrote:(03-08-2025, 01:47 AM)MrLoesoe Wrote: Hey guys I have a few questions, I came across this video from October 2023, featuring Khanya Talamati male, clearly recognizable through his 'bald' head, his brother, and the Nkhumuma male.
Is this the same Nkuhuma male he is in a coalition with at the moment? If yes, Khanya Talamati and him have been in a coalition before their current partnership? Or is this a different male?
And, is this 'the' brother of Khanya, Dzwihala, of whom I read earlier on this forum that he was huge (he is indeed I now see, bulky compared to Khanya, who is not exactly small either. And both are tall) and had great potential, but unfortunately dissappeared?
Yes, he is the same. Always accepted by Khanya, DM junior didn't fully accept NYM.
Not true, we have no idea why NK left these two boys aside from the fact he sought out their sisters who had just moved south to be controlled by the Gijimas.
There is not a single video showing Khanya bonding with NK without his brother there around the time they all joined together, but there is video footage of NK being more bonded to Dzwihala, being they had already joined together previously in Northern Sabi Sands.
Ppl just claim Dzwihala was most prolly the reason why the partnership ended as he was likely the most dominant of the 3, which never made any sense as one male has to be the most dominant. It doesn’t automatically mean they are the reason the group fractures.
I didn't say DM junior was the reason for that initial coalition failure. However, I saw videos when the three of them were together and DM Jr. rejected NYM in an aggressive manner. Then, NYM started going back and forth as @Tr1x24 mentioned above.