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RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - afortich - 09-26-2022
Great updated map, thanks!
The Kruger male appears to be the one with the most lionesses, he is the playboy
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RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - Tr1x24 - 10-08-2022
(09-25-2022, 10:54 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: I think there are only 4 Talamati Young Females left.
Yea, i notice this mistake from last map in April, where i forgot to delete Snip Tailed female who got killed.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - hotbit - 11-23-2022
Around 130 lions, as reserve area is 650 sq km (if I found correctly), on average density is 1 lion per 5 sq km.
Density seems to be at least two times higher than in Kruger Park (~12 sq km for a lion: area 19632 sq km, lions ~1650)
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - BA0701 - 11-24-2022
(11-23-2022, 06:24 PM)hotbit Wrote: Around 130 lions, as reserve area is 650 sq km (if I found correctly), on average density is 1 lion per 5 sq km.
Density seems to be at least two times higher than in Kruger Park (~12 sq km for a lion: area 19632 sq km, lions ~1650)
If Willem Botha's often quoted remark about the Mapogos killing 100 lions is accurate, it shows just how destructive to the lion population they were, the very definition of a wrecking crew. If true, they wiped out nearly every lion in Sabi Sands, based on this current data. Perhaps the population was a lot more dense back then.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - Tr1x24 - 11-24-2022
(11-24-2022, 01:07 AM)BA0701 Wrote: If Willem Botha's often quoted remark about the Mapogos killing 100 lions is accurate, it shows just how destructive to the lion population they were, the very definition of a wrecking crew. If true, they wiped out nearly every lion in Sabi Sands, based on this current data. Perhaps the population was a lot more dense back then.
They didn't kill 100 lions, that was a bit of overexaggeration for show pourposes.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - RookiePundit - 11-24-2022
(11-24-2022, 01:07 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(11-23-2022, 06:24 PM)hotbit Wrote: Around 130 lions, as reserve area is 650 sq km (if I found correctly), on average density is 1 lion per 5 sq km.
Density seems to be at least two times higher than in Kruger Park (~12 sq km for a lion: area 19632 sq km, lions ~1650)
If Willem Botha's often quoted remark about the Mapogos killing 100 lions is accurate, it shows just how destructive to the lion population they were, the very definition of a wrecking crew. If true, they wiped out nearly every lion in Sabi Sands, based on this current data. Perhaps the population was a lot more dense back then.
More importantly they failed at siring succesful replacement, most notably also due to the infanticide of the coalition progeny that gave MrT the Satan monicker. And with the current Othawa pride fate, there is potentially even more dead ends of their bloodline.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - Cath2020 - 11-24-2022
(11-24-2022, 02:43 AM)RookiePundit Wrote:(11-24-2022, 01:07 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(11-23-2022, 06:24 PM)hotbit Wrote: Around 130 lions, as reserve area is 650 sq km (if I found correctly), on average density is 1 lion per 5 sq km.
Density seems to be at least two times higher than in Kruger Park (~12 sq km for a lion: area 19632 sq km, lions ~1650)
If Willem Botha's often quoted remark about the Mapogos killing 100 lions is accurate, it shows just how destructive to the lion population they were, the very definition of a wrecking crew. If true, they wiped out nearly every lion in Sabi Sands, based on this current data. Perhaps the population was a lot more dense back then.
More importantly they failed at siring succesful replacement, most notably also due to the infanticide of the coalition progeny that gave MrT the Satan monicker. And with the current Othawa pride fate, there is potentially even more dead ends of their bloodline.
That's true and so sad. The Othawa Pride probably has the last of the Mapogo legacy from when the Mapogos were together. That means the potential bloodline of Rasta, Pretty Boy, Makhulu, and Dreadlocks. I don't know of any other pride with their bloodline out there. One of the reasons why I think they resonate with so many lion fans. All of their sons were euthanized, wrongly so, and these were their last daughters and their offspring (You could argue that Sabi Sands 'owes' a debt to the Mapogos for putting down their sons). The odds of the 3 young females surviving are lowish....so I am trying not to get too attached to their plight, hard as it is. They stand a good chance of probably being taken out by the PC Males eventually....and perhaps the B'hams. They will have to evade all these males for at least the next 1-2 years. This pride is definitely the most followed and popular, perhaps out of all the prides known right now. If they all perish, I will take a long break from following lions at the very least.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - criollo2mil - 11-24-2022
(11-24-2022, 09:58 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: “ The Othawa Pride probably has the last of the Mapogo legacy from when the Mapogos were together”
“these were their last daughters and their offspring”
The two eldest two Mhangheni lionesses are direct daughters of the Mapogo also.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - BorntobeWild - 11-25-2022
Plus Gingerella is their bloodline.
Why did Sabi Sand euthanize their sons? Did they get infected with some sort of epidemic disease ?
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - criollo2mil - 11-25-2022
(11-25-2022, 12:47 AM)东方琳琅STD Wrote: Plus Gingerella is their bloodline.
Why did Sabi Sand euthanize their sons? Did they get infected with some sort of epidemic disease ?
“bloodline” is very different. If we’re to use bloodline then you should include Kambulas As well
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - BA0701 - 11-25-2022
(11-25-2022, 12:47 AM)东方琳琅STD Wrote: Plus Gingerella is their bloodline.
Why did Sabi Sand euthanize their sons? Did they get infected with some sort of epidemic disease ?
They got out of the fence after a storm knocked a section down.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - Tr1x24 - 11-25-2022
Guys, I think this is off topic, we are spamming this thread with things we have thread for (Mapogos)..
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - BA0701 - 11-25-2022
(11-25-2022, 02:43 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Guys, I think this is off topic, we are spamming this thread with things we have thread for (Mapogos)..
Not sure I'd consider it spamming, we'll call it a tangent, given the impetus was a remark based on data contained in your maps, the way conversations tend to naturally flow sometimes.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - Cath2020 - 11-25-2022
(11-24-2022, 11:56 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:(11-24-2022, 09:58 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: “ The Othawa Pride probably has the last of the Mapogo legacy from when the Mapogos were together”
“these were their last daughters and their offspring”
The two eldest two Mhangheni lionesses are direct daughters of the Mapogo also.
I meant the oldest 4 Mapogos potentially....though no genomic analysis has been done, or at least revealed to the public. I believe the last oldest 3 Othawa Lionesses (which obviously included the OM's and Sassy's mom) were probably not daughters of the youngest 2 Mapogos that sired all the Manghenis. All 6 were together when the Othawa cubs were born back in 2007/early 2008.
RE: Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides - Cath2020 - 11-25-2022
(11-25-2022, 12:47 AM)东方琳琅STD Wrote: Plus Gingerella is their bloodline.
Why did Sabi Sand euthanize their sons? Did they get infected with some sort of epidemic disease ?
No, not at all. They merely escaped from a protective barrier one time. For this infringement, they got a death sentence. Believe it or not. It was a VERY controversial decision. If it had happened in more enlightened periods....like more recently, they might have just been relocated or been given more chances, at least. There was a whopping 6 sub-adult males, if I'm not mistaken! Imagine the progeny they could have left behind. I believe this judgement was motivated in part by the reputation their sires had, but it was no fault of the sons of the Sand River Pride. They were nomadic or almost so.