(08-15-2018, 02:58 PM)Shir Babr Wrote:

(08-14-2018, 08:47 PM)AlexE Wrote: young leopards

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the buffalo video because the description states it, but on the other three videos, what makes you claim those are young leopards? Just curious.

(08-15-2018, 08:07 PM)Rishi Wrote:

(08-15-2018, 02:58 PM)Shir Babr Wrote:

(08-14-2018, 08:47 PM)AlexE Wrote: young leopards

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the buffalo video because the description states it, but on the other three videos, what makes you claim those are young leopards? Just curious.

It's pretty obvious...

For first video read description. Also the leopards are clearly inexperienced & probably siblings who's recently seperated from their mother.

Second leopards was smaller than the labrador.

Last one is a captive-born subadult Persian leopard getting hunting lessons in Russia, to be released in the Caucasus.

Quote:About the one attacking the dog, adults can be as small as 17 kg;

(09-04-2018, 08:43 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

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 Bhagwat Tavri Nil gai facing leopard.....

(09-04-2018, 05:14 PM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 08:43 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

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 Bhagwat Tavri Nil gai facing leopard.....

Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.

(09-04-2018, 09:02 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 05:14 PM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 08:43 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

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 Bhagwat Tavri Nil gai facing leopard.....

Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.

I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess, 
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.

(09-05-2018, 12:33 AM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 09:02 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 05:14 PM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 08:43 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

*This image is copyright of its original author

 Bhagwat Tavri Nil gai facing leopard.....

Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.

I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess, 
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.

You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.

(09-05-2018, 01:20 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-05-2018, 12:33 AM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 09:02 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 05:14 PM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 08:43 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

*This image is copyright of its original author

 Bhagwat Tavri Nil gai facing leopard.....

Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.

I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess, 
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.

You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.

The lone Wolf predation on the Bison is extremely rare for one and there are a few factors there that should be understood.

1 is that the Wolf most likely gave up it's life taking on the Bison, you can see in the video that the Wolf is gored many times, covered in its own blood and most likely cannot survives the injuries on its own. The Bison isn't the largest of its kind either, so that obviously plays a role. It takes place in deep snow which will favor the more agile animal with better endurance as well. Lastly is that 
I tend to think that Canines and Pack animals are more persistent than a solitary hunter, that is also a lone Wolf so it could very well be desperate. We all know too well that a desperate animal is usually more dangerous and also less concerned about ones own well being. 
You see this in Bears that are unable to gorge enough to Hibernate, they are usually the ones to give Tigers hard times while Bears who are healthy tend to give a wide berth. 

2 is that I've seen both, Big Blue Bulls are large animals, compared to Leopards they significantly outsize them, even when you watch a Lion or Tiger prey on them, it's usually via Hamstring and I don't think a Leopard has the power to hold a Blue Bull in place while it feeds, but they certainly can cause an injury to the Nigali and break a leg or something a long those lines then it could dispatch it as the animal pleases. Like I side, there are accounts of Leopards killing Kudu which are huge, I again doubt a Leopard could kill a Bull Kudu but who knows, nature has no such rules set in place.

3 is that I never said a Hyena is stronger than a Leopard, I simple disagree with your VS mentality, there is no cut and draw superiority to one another, I've seen huge Tom Leopards that I think would dominate 99% of the Hyena I've seen but I cannot say 100% because I have seen a few very large Hyena that would certainly put up a great fight and both obviously have a relationship based on respect and hatred which comes from a instinctual place for good reason.

(09-05-2018, 11:44 PM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-05-2018, 01:20 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-05-2018, 12:33 AM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 09:02 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 05:14 PM)AlexE Wrote:

(09-04-2018, 08:43 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

*This image is copyright of its original author

 Bhagwat Tavri Nil gai facing leopard.....

Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.

I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess, 
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.

You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.

The lone Wolf predation on the Bison is extremely rare for one and there are a few factors there that should be understood.

1 is that the Wolf most likely gave up it's life taking on the Bison, you can see in the video that the Wolf is gored many times, covered in its own blood and most likely cannot survives the injuries on its own. The Bison isn't the largest of its kind either, so that obviously plays a role. It takes place in deep snow which will favor the more agile animal with better endurance as well. Lastly is that 
I tend to think that Canines and Pack animals are more persistent than a solitary hunter, that is also a lone Wolf so it could very well be desperate. We all know too well that a desperate animal is usually more dangerous and also less concerned about ones own well being. 
You see this in Bears that are unable to gorge enough to Hibernate, they are usually the ones to give Tigers hard times while Bears who are healthy tend to give a wide berth. 

2 is that I've seen both, Big Blue Bulls are large animals, compared to Leopards they significantly outsize them, even when you watch a Lion or Tiger prey on them, it's usually via Hamstring and I don't think a Leopard has the power to hold a Blue Bull in place while it feeds, but they certainly can cause an injury to the Nigali and break a leg or something a long those lines then it could dispatch it as the animal pleases. Like I side, there are accounts of Leopards killing Kudu which are huge, I again doubt a Leopard could kill a Bull Kudu but who knows, nature has no such rules set in place.

3 is that I never said a Hyena is stronger than a Leopard, I simple disagree with your VS mentality, there is no cut and draw superiority to one another, I've seen huge Tom Leopards that I think would dominate 99% of the Hyena I've seen but I cannot say 100% because I have seen a few very large Hyena that would certainly put up a great fight and both obviously have a relationship based on respect and hatred which comes from a instinctual place for good reason.

You were in Africa or you saw on the internet? I know that the Internet and reality are different. E.g. Large strong dogs are often killed and eaten by wolves. 
Internet propaganda says that big dogs are wolf killers. 

Internet propaganda and reality are not the same.