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RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - BoldChamp - 11-01-2015
(11-01-2015, 09:57 AM)jeets Wrote:(10-31-2015, 07:17 PM)BoldChamp Wrote: Many stated that tiger, TJ, was 700 lbs. I emailed them to get verification, and they said he was 350 lbs. Will show the email soon (dont have the pic saved to this computer yet).
Many?
Show me who are those many.
btw from when people are started worrying about zoo/rescue animals weight?
Several people on YouTube said it, you can find it on Google, etc, and, the weights of captive animals is important as well. We can compare both animals in captivity as well, and see how food intake affects weight.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - jeets - 11-01-2015
(11-01-2015, 08:56 PM)BoldChamp Wrote:(11-01-2015, 09:57 AM)jeets Wrote:(10-31-2015, 07:17 PM)BoldChamp Wrote: Many stated that tiger, TJ, was 700 lbs. I emailed them to get verification, and they said he was 350 lbs. Will show the email soon (dont have the pic saved to this computer yet).
Many?
Show me who are those many.
btw from when people are started worrying about zoo/rescue animals weight?
Several people on YouTube said it, you can find it on Google, etc, and, the weights of captive animals is important as well. We can compare both animals in captivity as well, and see how food intake affects weight.
I simply asked 'show me who are those many'?
You didn't provided a single source instead you are stating check Youtube &Google.You are seriously funny.
First provide any links for your claim "MANY".
Even Kids know Zoo/Rescue center animals are gain weight and live more years compared to wild counter parts.What is there to discuss?
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - sanjay - 11-01-2015
@BoldChamp,
Please do not bring the words which can turn into versus debate, We are strictly against it. We welcome any kind of discussion but in limit, which do not turn into another AVA.
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RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - Pckts - 11-02-2015
(11-01-2015, 08:56 PM)BoldChamp Wrote:(11-01-2015, 09:57 AM)jeets Wrote:(10-31-2015, 07:17 PM)BoldChamp Wrote: Many stated that tiger, TJ, was 700 lbs. I emailed them to get verification, and they said he was 350 lbs. Will show the email soon (dont have the pic saved to this computer yet).
Many?
Show me who are those many.
btw from when people are started worrying about zoo/rescue animals weight?
Several people on YouTube said it, you can find it on Google, etc, and, the weights of captive animals is important as well. We can compare both animals in captivity as well, and see how food intake affects weight.
You tube has nothing to do with here. The weights of captive cats hold no water when comparing wild cats. Their genetics, sub species hybridization and facility capabilities all hold far too much of a factor when determining big cat capabilities.
A perfect example is Shere khan compared to Doc at noahs ark, both are hybrids, but Doc is the largest cat there while shere khan is the smallest tiger there. This is the same for all captive cats, "food intake" isn't a determining factor for big cat size, a big cat will eat, if the food allocated to the cat causes him to become obese, he is being fed too much. But his DEI will also dictate what he needs to sustain, a big cat in a larger enclosure with more enrichment may eat the same as another cat living in a small zoo enclosure and the less active cat will most likely weigh more but the more active cat will be more fit. A larger cat needs more food than a smaller one when the outside factors are the same. Its simple as that, more body needs more fuel.
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Also, we may want to just join this with the captive cat thread, I don't see the need for specific captive cats to have their own threads, we will flood this place with them if we do.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - BoldChamp - 11-02-2015
(11-01-2015, 11:31 PM)sanjay Wrote: @BoldChamp,
Please do not bring the words which can turn into versus debate, We are strictly against it. We welcome any kind of discussion but in limit, which do not turn into another AVA.
@jeets, Please control your aggression and do not use insulting words against any member. You have rights to disagree but do it in gentle manner. Your word "You are seriously funny." is not acceptable. Please don't do this again
Wasnt trying to argue.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - BoldChamp - 11-03-2015
(11-01-2015, 10:53 PM)jeets Wrote:(11-01-2015, 08:56 PM)BoldChamp Wrote:(11-01-2015, 09:57 AM)jeets Wrote:(10-31-2015, 07:17 PM)BoldChamp Wrote: Many stated that tiger, TJ, was 700 lbs. I emailed them to get verification, and they said he was 350 lbs. Will show the email soon (dont have the pic saved to this computer yet).
Many?
Show me who are those many.
btw from when people are started worrying about zoo/rescue animals weight?
Several people on YouTube said it, you can find it on Google, etc, and, the weights of captive animals is important as well. We can compare both animals in captivity as well, and see how food intake affects weight.
I simply asked 'show me who are those many'?
You didn't provided a single source instead you are stating check Youtube &Google.You are seriously funny.
First provide any links for your claim "MANY".
Even Kids know Zoo/Rescue center animals are gain weight and live more years compared to wild counter parts.What is there to discuss?
I didnt think it necessary to show you the 'many'. Isnt my informing you of it enough? But, it doesnt show up in search. Captive animals are important as we can compare weight to food intake for lions and tigers. But. i separate the captive from the wild.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - BoldChamp - 11-03-2015
(11-02-2015, 10:06 PM)Pckts Wrote:(11-01-2015, 08:56 PM)BoldChamp Wrote:(11-01-2015, 09:57 AM)jeets Wrote:(10-31-2015, 07:17 PM)BoldChamp Wrote: Many stated that tiger, TJ, was 700 lbs. I emailed them to get verification, and they said he was 350 lbs. Will show the email soon (dont have the pic saved to this computer yet).
Many?
Show me who are those many.
btw from when people are started worrying about zoo/rescue animals weight?
Several people on YouTube said it, you can find it on Google, etc, and, the weights of captive animals is important as well. We can compare both animals in captivity as well, and see how food intake affects weight.
You tube has nothing to do with here. The weights of captive cats hold no water when comparing wild cats. Their genetics, sub species hybridization and facility capabilities all hold far too much of a factor when determining big cat capabilities.
A perfect example is Shere khan compared to Doc at noahs ark, both are hybrids, but Doc is the largest cat there while shere khan is the smallest tiger there. This is the same for all captive cats, "food intake" isn't a determining factor for big cat size, a big cat will eat, if the food allocated to the cat causes him to become obese, he is being fed too much. But his DEI will also dictate what he needs to sustain, a big cat in a larger enclosure with more enrichment may eat the same as another cat living in a small zoo enclosure and the less active cat will most likely weigh more but the more active cat will be more fit. A larger cat needs more food than a smaller one when the outside factors are the same. Its simple as that, more body needs more fuel.
'
Also, we may want to just join this with the captive cat thread, I don't see the need for specific captive cats to have their own threads, we will flood this place with them if we do.
It wasnt about youtube, just mentioning where people have stated the tiger, TJ, weighed 700 lbs. Where they said it doesnt matter. And, of course individuals will vary in size, irrespective of food intake, but i speak more in a general sense across animals of a similar size. Example; 300 captive animals are weighed, whatever species. I get the average weight, average food intake across the many, etc, and compare results with others. Thats all there is to it. Individuals will vary, but lions require a different feeding schedule, compared to tigers.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - Pckts - 11-03-2015
@BoldChamp wrote
"It wasnt about youtube, just mentioning where people have stated the tiger, TJ, weighed 700 lbs. Where they said it doesnt matter. And, of course individuals will vary in size, irrespective of food intake, but i speak more in a general sense across animals of a similar size. Example; 300 captive animals are weighed, whatever species. I get the average weight, average food intake across the many, etc, and compare results with others. Thats all there is to it. Individuals will vary, but lions require a different feeding schedule, compared to tigers.
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Incorrect actually, in fact, blackjaguarwhitetiger foundation has many of them growing up together and adults as well, he removes the smaller ones (leopards/jaguars) during feeding time but always feeds the lions and tigers together when they are part of the same pride, he puts his food out on dishes and opens the gates and they all rush to a dish, if two go to the same dish he will try to separate before trouble starts, he has many videos of this. He also fasts them on sunday as well, this goes for all of his cats. The only time he will remove ones is if they become larger than the others or too food aggressive. He also adjusts their feeding schedules dependent on if they are rescued to underweight.
His account is all over the captive cats thread, feel free to take a look. None of his cats are obese, in fact once he gets them in his custody, they are beautiful and very healthy.
Here is the link to the Zoos, circuses, safaris etc. Thread
http://wildfact.com/forum/topic-zoos-circuses-safaris-a-gallery-of-captivity?page=8
Edit: Also, another flaw when comparing a random 300 captive cats is the fact that these cats live in completely different places, what they are fed, where its gotten from, nutrients contained and schedules of feedings all differ greatly. Not even including the fact that most are genetically deformed, hybridized would never exist in the wild nor live such a lazy and lavish lifestyle. Unless you are talking about an actual facility that has all stud books and a program in place to reintroduce their cats to the wild, they serve no real significant study observation outside of seeing a big cat for consumers. In fact, I know of one such place that is attempting to do this with jaguars at the moment and they actually never show jaguars to humans, these cats are feed via a pulley system and their habitat is enriched the same way. Feel free to check them out on Instagram
There account is called
jaguarsintothewild
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - tigerluver - 11-03-2015
Folks, look at the graphics of this thread. Please don't quote too often, especially when there are quotes of quotes. If needed, just tag the user.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - Pckts - 11-03-2015
Yes, sorry Tigerluver. I need to stop doing that, my mistake. I will fix it...
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - jeets - 11-03-2015
(11-01-2015, 11:31 PM)sanjay Wrote: @BoldChamp,
Please do not bring the words which can turn into versus debate, We are strictly against it. We welcome any kind of discussion but in limit, which do not turn into another AVA.
@jeets, Please control your aggression and do not use insulting words against any member. You have rights to disagree but do it in gentle manner. Your word "You are seriously funny." is not acceptable. Please don't do this again
Don't know where you found aggression and insult in my posts.
Oh, forgot it I used "You are seriously funny" is 'aggression&insult' in your dictionary!!.
If you read it from starting he said 'Many'.. I asked him source .... he said YouTube&Google.... then I said "You are seriously funny"... and you came and started political correctness lecture...
Except you no one showed any aggression&insult to another member in this thread.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - sanjay - 11-03-2015
This is humble request to you not cross the limit. This is last request from my side.
Please stick to debate and NO insult to mods or any other member.
We try to keep the debate clean and calm. You are not allowed to say "You are seriously funny" to anyone, whether you agree or disagree while debating. I hope you understand our policy and have read the forum rules.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - jeets - 11-03-2015
(11-03-2015, 01:33 PM)sanjay Wrote: This is humble request to you not cross the limit. This is last request from my side.
Please stick to debate and NO insult to mods or any other member.
We try to keep the debate clean and calm. You are not allowed to say "You are seriously funny" to anyone, whether you agree or disagree while debating. I hope you understand our policy and have read the forum rules.
Are you mods?
Go on ban me,I don't care but stop hiding behind burka of Political correctness.
"You are seriously funny" is nothing any aggression&insult to other person, who said check google&youtube if you ask Source.
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - sanjay - 11-03-2015
As you wish
RE: Weight of TJ (tiger) from BigCatRescue - BoldChamp - 11-04-2015
@Pckts
Lions respond well to a 'fast-and-gorge' feeding schedule, where they have days between meals, and receive a substantial amount when feeding time does arrive. They prefer large quantities of food 2-3 times a week vs getting fed a smaller amount 5-6 times a week, which is the diet tigers respond well to. That's my point. I was right on the money.