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RE: Questions related to Big cats - epaiva - 07-14-2019
(07-13-2019, 11:15 PM)Sully Wrote: At what age in months (or as specific as possible) is a cheetah able to outrun a lion/leopard?
I saw a video of one cheetah outrunning a Lioness it was about 1 year old
RE: Questions related to Big cats - sanjay - 07-14-2019
I think 1 year is safe bet... but there is not such study or research on this
RE: Questions related to Big cats - Sully - 08-22-2019
Well I've got my answer to the question. Sunquist says "by the time cubs are four months old, they are able to outrun lions and spotted hyenas". Earlier than I expected.
RE: Questions related to Big cats - Ashutosh - 08-23-2019
Still not early enough, though. Cheetah cubs are preyed upon by all kinds of predators in Africa, so much so that 90% of cubs don’t reach maturity while about 60% don’t reach 4 months. This is a huge challenge in improving Cheetah numbers in Africa.
Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Rishi - 04-04-2020
(04-16-2019, 08:29 AM)edulofter Wrote: who know how many Sumatra Tigers alive in the world now?
Somewhere between 200 to 400. Exact numbers can't bebe determined with certainty.
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Sully - 04-12-2020
So I was listening to a podcast interviewing one of the main characters from tiger king and as an argument for the ethics of housing hybrids like ligers he mentioned that there has been genetic exchange post diversion between lions and tigers in relatively recent times (in the wild). Now this sounds like nonsense due to the many natural barriers that prevent hybridization (though it can happen) but I'd be bereft if I didn't just ask whether this is true? I think @GuateGojira can help me with this one
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - GuateGojira - 04-13-2020
(04-12-2020, 08:45 PM)Sully Wrote: So I was listening to a podcast interviewing one of the main characters from tiger king and as an argument for the ethics of housing hybrids like ligers he mentioned that there has been genetic exchange post diversion between lions and tigers in relatively recent times (in the wild). Now this sounds like nonsense due to the many natural barriers that prevent hybridization (though it can happen) but I'd be bereft if I didn't just ask whether this is true? I think @GuateGojira can help me with this one
In fact, there is no evidence of wild hybrids between lions and tigers. There are a few paints in old art but that is not evidence at all, as they could be ligers/tigons breed in captivity just like the modern ones.
The guy that says that tigers and lions naturally breed in the wild is a big ignorant. There is no evidence of tiger and lions facing in the wild and even the old Indian litterature did not mention anything about that. The fact that these two cats share diferent habitats and that there are no records, stories or even "legends" about tigers with lions, shows that there was no interbreed between these two species.
Personally, the claim that tigers and lions breed in the wild is the must aberrant excuse for the breed of ligers in captivity!
Also I will like to add that if someone is seeing "Tiger King" in Netflix, DO NOT belive on it, it is full of incorrect information and several organizations for conservation are complaining about that. Even Dr John Goodrich allready stated his point of view about this series and is very negative. For me, Netflix is full of garbage, they made shows against my faith and now they are making shows that ignore the facts of conservation and suffering in captivity of my favorite animals (big cats overall) in behalf of a story that most of the time ignore the real problem and suffering that wild cats live in captivity, in behalf of a show and the intrege on it, and now there are hundreds of millenials that believe that they are" experts" about conservation just because those saw that single damn show!!!
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Sully - 04-13-2020
They claim they wanted to create the "Blackfish" of big cats but they lost themselves in the drama of it all. It became less about the animals and more about the characters. Now people are actually siding with those who breed exotic animals under the vague guise of "raising awareness" as an excuse for their ethically bankrupt practices. It isn't a great documentary for information, in fact its barely a documentary, rather just a drama. And as you said, it now has created another wave of misinformed people who think they have a beat on what conservation is about, which is annoying and counter productive.
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Sully - 04-13-2020
@GuateGojira So I've found the website of the guy who made the claim as here is what is said
"While ligers have existed in the wild, they have not gone on to create a new species. Their most significant contribution seems to be as the vehicle which allowed lions and tigers to inherit adaptations from each other. Today, all lions carry tiger DNA and all tigers carry lion DNA. In order for this to happen, not only did ligers need to exist in the wild, they had to survive into adulthood and reproduce with both lions and tigers. The genes that were passed back and forth between species appear to have some beneficial purpose, otherwise they would not have persisted and spread to the full populations. Ligers exist in the wild today in as much as both lions and tigers are genetically partially hybrids."
It also adds
"Lions and tigers are not the only big cats to have hybridized. Historically (or prehistorically), all of the Panthera genus have introgressively hybridized. A research article published in Genome Research elaborates and explains the genetic evidence of ancient hybridization among the larger cats. Although the big cats share a common ancestor, and therefore a certain percentage of their genome, the big cats have also inherited genes from each other that did not exist in their common ancestor.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691742/"
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - GuateGojira - 04-16-2020
(04-13-2020, 09:53 PM)Sully Wrote: @GuateGojira So I've found the website of the guy who made the claim as here is what is said
"While ligers have existed in the wild, they have not gone on to create a new species. Their most significant contribution seems to be as the vehicle which allowed lions and tigers to inherit adaptations from each other. Today, all lions carry tiger DNA and all tigers carry lion DNA. In order for this to happen, not only did ligers need to exist in the wild, they had to survive into adulthood and reproduce with both lions and tigers. The genes that were passed back and forth between species appear to have some beneficial purpose, otherwise they would not have persisted and spread to the full populations. Ligers exist in the wild today in as much as both lions and tigers are genetically partially hybrids."
It also adds
"Lions and tigers are not the only big cats to have hybridized. Historically (or prehistorically), all of the Panthera genus have introgressively hybridized. A research article published in Genome Research elaborates and explains the genetic evidence of ancient hybridization among the larger cats. Although the big cats share a common ancestor, and therefore a certain percentage of their genome, the big cats have also inherited genes from each other that did not exist in their common ancestor.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691742/"
Oh my God!!! That is one of the biggest lies about great cats that I ever read!!!
This guy is crazy and a big liar, how he can say that ligers are useful because of that???
An he even missquote an article of something that happen millions of years BEFORE the current species separated once for all. This guy (girl?) is the perfect example of the wrong conservation efforts. I searched in the webpage that you put but I did not found any link where we can communicate with them, however we can see that his webpage is part of the T.I.G.E.R.S. center, which is one of the worst conservation projects ever and that guy Doc Antle is a joke!
This is the other side of the coin on the extintion of the species, creating big waves of ignorance amoung the common people.
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Lycaon - 04-19-2020
I have a question . Does anyone have photos of pakistani tigers and lions can be skin or other documents . Regards.
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Sully - 04-26-2020
Have there been any verified cases of tigers preying on moose? Thanks
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Nyers - 04-26-2020
tiger Uporniy killed moose
https://amurmedia.ru/news/529549/
tigress Elena killed moose
http://amur-tiger.ru/ru/press_center/news/1416/
tiger Pavlik killed 2 mooses
http://amur-tiger.ru/ru/press_center/news/1326/
https://portamur.ru/news/detail/ekologi-rasskazali-gde-vstretili-novyiy-god-tigryi-pavlik-i-elena/
tiger Vladik killed moose
https://regnum.ru/news/society/2304450.html
young tigress Svetlaya killed full grown female moose
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3396737
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Rishi - 04-27-2020
(04-19-2020, 11:57 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I have a question . Does anyone have photos of pakistani tigers and lions can be skin or other documents . Regards.
I looked into it once. Didn't find anything.
The tiger habitatas of Pakistan (Punjab area) got cultivated multiple centuries ago. You're more likely to find stuff about lions who survived upto end of 19th century.
RE: Ask & Tag: General Queries Posting Thread - Lycaon - 04-27-2020
@Rishi
Thanks it looks like info about tigers in pakistan is virtually nonexistant . Good tip on the lions.