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RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-13-2018

@Spalea Whenever i come across density of muscle, there is always a value called p value. I do not understand it. Do you have any idea about it?

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - Spalea - 10-13-2018

@parvez :

About #16: It's the first time I read this term "p value"... But after getting the facts it means "probability (p) value"... After validating a zero probability you can use it to justify a statistic signification... Whether you take a very low probability level (arbitrarily 5%), or you take the probability you obtained.
 
Here is the wikipedia link (in english):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-value

But this concerns the probability study, what's the matter with the density ?

If you want I will come later to try looking more closely this question.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-13-2018

(10-13-2018, 08:25 PM)Spalea Wrote: @parvez :

About #16: It's the first time I read this term "p value"... But after getting the facts it means "probability (p) value"... After validating a zero probability you can use it to justify a statistic signification... Whether you take a very low probability level (arbitrarily 5%), or you take the probability you obtained.
 
Here is the wikipedia link (in english):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-value

But this concerns the probability study, what's the matter with the density ?

If you want I will come later to try looking more closely this question.
No actually whenever i come across studies that say the density of muscle, samples always are represented using p value. The density value is estimated in p values. There is no gm/cc or gm/cm2 values to density. Just they say or express the density in p values. I will give the examples for this. I am just interested in density of big cat bone and muscles as to how strong they are. I think the main density is irrelevant here. We want numeric density as to how many number of muscle fibers and what kind of muscle fibers are present in which part of tiger to estimate the tiger's true strength. Also i have an idea to measure the density of tiger bones from samples of bones if anyone has. I contacted peter for this. After i get the reply, I will post here if any info on density i get from these data.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - HyperNova - 10-14-2018

(10-13-2018, 08:32 PM)parvez Wrote:
(10-13-2018, 08:25 PM)Spalea Wrote: @parvez :

About #16: It's the first time I read this term "p value"... But after getting the facts it means "probability (p) value"... After validating a zero probability you can use it to justify a statistic signification... Whether you take a very low probability level (arbitrarily 5%), or you take the probability you obtained.
 
Here is the wikipedia link (in english):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-value

But this concerns the probability study, what's the matter with the density ?

If you want I will come later to try looking more closely this question.
No actually whenever i come across studies that say the density of muscle, samples always are represented using p value. The density value is estimated in p values. There is no gm/cc or gm/cm2 values to density. Just they say or express the density in p values. I will give the examples for this. I am just interested in density of big cat bone and muscles as to how strong they are. I think the main density is irrelevant here. We want numeric density as to how many number of muscle fibers and what kind of muscle fibers are present in which part of tiger to estimate the tiger's true strength. Also i have an idea to measure the density of tiger bones from samples of bones if anyone has. I contacted peter for this. After i get the reply, I will post here if any info on density i get from these data.
Not too sure about this but I don't think muscle density mean mass divided by volume. I think what they are referring to is related to muscle fibers, some muscle fibers type are smaller than other. So if you pick two muscles of similar volume, one (A) primarly composed of smaller muscle fibers and the other (B) primarly composed of bigger muscle fibers, A would be denser. Thats because for the same volume you would be able to fit a lot more of those small muscle fibers inside sais volume. At least thats what I think they mean.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-14-2018

Order of animal bone mineral densities from lowest to highest,

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Courtesy: an article made available by tiger liver.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-14-2018

Amazing article by tiger luver, 

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RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - brotherbear - 10-14-2018

https://wildfact.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=292

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - brotherbear - 10-14-2018

https://wildfact.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=293

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-14-2018

I am sorry I was wrong in calculations. Will delete the wrong posts.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-16-2018

Now I understand there is intramuscular fat and collagen in the muscles. That is why there was varying amount of density among muscles in camels. We must wait for proper study regarding this.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-16-2018


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Bone mineral density of subjects from india.

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RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-18-2018

I took a piece of mutton, made sure it is atleast mostly muscle as it still has micro tiny white colour indicating intramuscular fat. I weighed it, it weighed 6gms. Now measuring it's volume was tough. It was triangular shaped at the side and when i tried to multiply area of triangle from measuring its dimensions and then multiply it with length whose measurements i took numbered 13 as it was irregular shaped. I took the mean length and multiplied I got the value 3.5-4. Its weight is excluding cover weight 5.5 or 5gms. So, the density of mutton muscle is roughly around 1.2-1.6gm/cc. Wild specimens have even more higher density as the fat content is minimal. We can imagine around atleast double this density in wild tigers who patrol almost atleast 50km2 per day.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-18-2018

Percent of intramuscular fat in subjects,

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4575231/

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-19-2018


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It seems it is less in pork. Maximum percentage was around 8.5 . That may be the reason why pigs are so strong. It is interesting to see tigers.

RE: Bone and muscle strength or density - parvez - 10-20-2018


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https://www.e-sciencecentral.org/articles/SC000005014
Intramuscular fat percent was lowest in ribs and leg cuts. Interesting...