(12-16-2024, 09:15 PM)Mapokser Wrote: 2015 someone reliable ( IIRC a ranger ) made a facebook post explaining what happened, and the head of the anti-poaching team from Sabi Sands at the time of the Mapogo ( Willem Botha ), made another post citing the previous post and confirming that yeah it was what happened. 

Basically Dreadlocks moved north towards Singita/Ottawa property and left the reserve ( fences were often destroyed by floods ), he killed some cattle and the leaders of IIRC 3 local tribes were pissed and demanded his death, the rangers tried to dart him and bring him back, but were threatened by the tribes. Weeks later Dreadlocks' skin was found with a poacher, probably the guy "hired" to shoot him

(12-15-2024, 08:54 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(12-13-2024, 10:43 PM)BA0701 Wrote: We were discussing the situation at Elephant Plains, on the Kruger thread, and it got me thinking about the things that happened back then. The loss of Rasta was a really big blow, just as the loss of KT was even bigger, but, I still believe that the loss of Dreadlocks, to poachers, was the biggest loss to the 6 Mapogos. They had been able to regroup and recover from all of the others, and Dreadlocks played a big role in that. Once Dreadlocks was killed, the end of the Mapogo reign came relatively quickly afterwards.

Yeah, they were still the strongest coalition around before Dreadlocks died, though even before his death, they had already given up on their entire north and east territory, accepting the Majingilane rule, which came with Rasta's death and PB's injuries. Even after PB very quickly full recovery, they never attempted to challenge Majingilane for Londolozi, Northern Sector or MalaMala. I think, however, that if Mr.T had not killed the Ximungwe cubs, bringing the females back to estrus, there might have been a chance for them to make another move against Majingilane.

Still, technically speaking, Dreadlocks wasn't poached, to say he was poached would be to say someone illegally sneaked into the reserve and shot him, but he was killed outside Sabi Sands and the demand to kill him instead of allowing him to get darted and brought back, came from leaders of some local tribes.

But anyway, back to the dynamics, lion strategy or whatever, one should give full credit to Majingilane, I'm sure luck always plays its role, but the bond, intelligence, coordination and teamplay of the Majingis was out of this world, they had competition and clashes with coalitions of 6 ( Mapogo, Matimba ), 5 ( Bboys ), 4 ( Selati ), 3 ( Sand Rivers ) and never lost any members, hell, no member has even been seriously injured, their only lost ever was that of 5th in their first territorial challenge, after that they went into an insane spree off successfully competing with other males.

(03-02-2025, 10:05 PM)FACR2212 Wrote: Is this legit or just nonsense?

(03-02-2025, 11:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-02-2025, 10:05 PM)FACR2212 Wrote: Is this legit or just nonsense?

Fourways did adopt 2 unknown males at that time (Blondie Fourways/Phabeni and his bro who got killed by S.Matimbas in 2014) but really doubt these 2 are Ximhungwes, as these 2 looked a bit older then these 2 Ximhungwes on the video.

We would need good pictures to confirm that.

(03-03-2025, 02:54 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: Couldn’t they have just have grown in that time they were with the four ways male lions?

(03-03-2025, 02:54 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: How much time were the male lions with the four ways?

(03-10-2025, 02:08 PM)Delyrium Wrote: First post, registered just for this, long time lurker.

I hope someone might be able to help me around a curiosity or two regarding The Mapogos. 

We know so far that the Mapogos fathers, The West Street Males or Sparta Males, were retroactively named after The Mapogos success. The names given AFAIK are Scar Nose, Broken Nose, Blondie, Scar Eyebrow and Mak Senior. What I've been wanting to know out of curiosity for a long time is what was Mak Seniors original name. The only clue I ever got about this was on a video where the person filming says "that's Big Boy" in reference to a lion on a video about the West Street Males, and Makhulu means Big or similar, so maybe that "Big Boy" became Mak Senior later on.

On a different note, I remember reading somewhere that Makhulu was an actual member of The West Street Males for like year and a half to two years, helping the pride as a normal member during that time. For the most part is noted everywhere I've looked that the last West Street Male died around 2004, sounds alright as to take into account that they (or just him at this point) expelled the 5 young Mapogos earlier that same year or something (Seems too early for Mr T and KT). My question is, did Makhulu leave with his half-brothers, I highly doubt a 5-6yo Makhulu would be expelled by the dominant males at this stage, or had he been expelled earlier and reunited with them later on. There's even a picture here of a fully manned Makhulu with his 5 half-manned half-brothers, which is beautiful by the way. It kind of reminds me of Notch and his sons, pretty similar but The Mapogos did it first with a twist.

Apologies if this is not the place for questions such as these.

(03-10-2025, 02:08 PM)Delyrium Wrote: First post, registered just for this, long time lurker.

I hope someone might be able to help me around a curiosity or two regarding The Mapogos. 

We know so far that the Mapogos fathers, The West Street Males or Sparta Males, were retroactively named after The Mapogos success. The names given AFAIK are Scar Nose, Broken Nose, Blondie, Scar Eyebrow and Mak Senior. What I've been wanting to know out of curiosity for a long time is what was Mak Seniors original name. The only clue I ever got about this was on a video where the person filming says "that's Big Boy" in reference to a lion on a video about the West Street Males, and Makhulu means Big or similar, so maybe that "Big Boy" became Mak Senior later on.

On a different note, I remember reading somewhere that Makhulu was an actual member of The West Street Males for like year and a half to two years, helping the pride as a normal member during that time. For the most part is noted everywhere I've looked that the last West Street Male died around 2004, sounds alright as to take into account that they (or just him at this point) expelled the 5 young Mapogos earlier that same year or something (Seems too early for Mr T and KT). My question is, did Makhulu leave with his half-brothers, I highly doubt a 5-6yo Makhulu would be expelled by the dominant males at this stage, or had he been expelled earlier and reunited with them later on. There's even a picture here of a fully manned Makhulu with his 5 half-manned half-brothers, which is beautiful by the way. It kind of reminds me of Notch and his sons, pretty similar but The Mapogos did it first with a twist.

Apologies if this is not the place for questions such as these.

(03-10-2025, 02:08 PM)Delyrium Wrote: First post, registered just for this, long time lurker.

I hope someone might be able to help me around a curiosity or two regarding The Mapogos. 

We know so far that the Mapogos fathers, The West Street Males or Sparta Males, were retroactively named after The Mapogos success. The names given AFAIK are Scar Nose, Broken Nose, Blondie, Scar Eyebrow and Mak Senior. What I've been wanting to know out of curiosity for a long time is what was Mak Seniors original name. The only clue I ever got about this was on a video where the person filming says "that's Big Boy" in reference to a lion on a video about the West Street Males, and Makhulu means Big or similar, so maybe that "Big Boy" became Mak Senior later on.

On a different note, I remember reading somewhere that Makhulu was an actual member of The West Street Males for like year and a half to two years, helping the pride as a normal member during that time. For the most part is noted everywhere I've looked that the last West Street Male died around 2004, sounds alright as to take into account that they (or just him at this point) expelled the 5 young Mapogos earlier that same year or something (Seems too early for Mr T and KT). My question is, did Makhulu leave with his half-brothers, I highly doubt a 5-6yo Makhulu would be expelled by the dominant males at this stage, or had he been expelled earlier and reunited with them later on. There's even a picture here of a fully manned Makhulu with his 5 half-manned half-brothers, which is beautiful by the way. It kind of reminds me of Notch and his sons, pretty similar but The Mapogos did it first with a twist.

Apologies if this is not the place for questions such as these.