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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Psyckoo - 04-24-2021
Did we have more informations about old Ross males and Avoca pride ?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 04-24-2021
(04-24-2021, 07:34 PM)Psyckoo Wrote: Did we have more informations about old Ross males and Avoca pride ?
Which kind of information do you want? Perhaps, We can help
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Psyckoo - 04-24-2021
(04-24-2021, 08:06 PM)Timbavati Wrote:(04-24-2021, 07:34 PM)Psyckoo Wrote: Did we have more informations about old Ross males and Avoca pride ?
Which kind of information do you want? Perhaps, We can help
The great moments for example for the Old Ross male i just heard that they sired Old Avoca males but nothing else, how many they were, which coalition they fight, from where they come, who they fall... a little biography but after i thinks that not as easy that modern coalition...
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 04-24-2021
(04-24-2021, 06:50 PM)Potato Wrote: Actually it is common for male lion coalitions to challange for territory at the age of around 4 if they have numerical advantage of 2:1 or more. Beside Monwanas you could look at S Avocas chassiing Matshapiri or Ross facing Giraffe male and Mabande male. Birminghams were around 4 beside Nsuku when they challanged Matimbas. Majingilanes still had Mohawks manes around 1 year after takeover from Mlovathis so they also could be well before 4 years of age at takeovertime. Mbiris were just over 3 when they chassed Mapoza male through Kings Camp and so on...
Not that common, most lions become dominant at 5 or close to 5, then just at 4..
Monwanas just had 4 yrs birthday when they challenged BDM.
Bboys where well over 4 when challenged Matimbas, and become dominant almost at 5 and some over 5.
We dont know exactly birth dates of Majingilanes and Matimbas so that more of speculatio, but they had much superior numbers.. Selatis where also around 5 when they beat Mapogos..
Those few examples of Avocas, Ross and Mbiris clashed vs dominant males in early days are also very rare and not that common, those are only few examples..
Most lions run from dominant males at age 4 and then after 4.5-5 gain more confidence..
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 04-24-2021
(04-24-2021, 08:19 PM)Psyckoo Wrote:(04-24-2021, 08:06 PM)Timbavati Wrote:(04-24-2021, 07:34 PM)Psyckoo Wrote: Did we have more informations about old Ross males and Avoca pride ?
Which kind of information do you want? Perhaps, We can help
The great moments for example for the Old Ross male i just heard that they sired Old Avoca males but nothing else, how many they were, which coalition they fight, from where they come, who they fall... a little biography but after i thinks that not as easy that modern coalition...
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1116688471871797&id=100005919649247
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 04-25-2021
The Sumatra male was seen on Rockfig Safari Lodge with some of the Giraffe pride females. The other Monwana male wasn't seen yet
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 04-25-2021
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We saw the Sumatra male together with a few females in the Western sector of our traverse.
Captured by Field Guide @almero.klingenberg
RE: Lions of Timbavati - sik94 - 04-25-2021
Would be amazing if this remaining male can keep BDM's legacy going as a lone male, with the same territory and pride as well.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 11:25 PM)sik94 Wrote: Would be amazing if this remaining male can keep BDM's legacy going as a lone male, with the same territory and pride as well.
Only time will tell. Almero told me that his leg wasn't looking good.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 04-25-2021
Thats Sumatra male, not limping Monwana male.. Limping Monwana doesnt have patch on his back leg, while Sumatra has (check pictures of both for few days ago).
On limping Monwana, he prob has health issues, prob TB, and not just injured leg.. So his survival will be really tough without his brother.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 04-26-2021
(04-25-2021, 11:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Thats Sumatra male, not limping Monwana male.. Limping Monwana doesnt have patch on his back leg, while Sumatra has (check pictures of both for few days ago).
On limping Monwana, he prob has health issues, prob TB, and not just injured leg.. So his survival will be really tough without his brother.
That's true, my bad
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 12:09 AM)Timbavati Wrote: That's true, my bad
Any info of the current state of Sumatra and his leg? That patch doesnt look good as it looks like its starting to open.. Its very likely TB, similar situation like with Sizanani, Nsuku, HS, Talamati etc.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 12:41 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(04-26-2021, 12:09 AM)Timbavati Wrote: That's true, my bad
Any info of the current state of Sumatra and his leg? That patch doesnt look good as it looks like its starting to open.. Its very likely TB, similar situation like with Sizanani, Nsuku, HS, Talamati etc.
Almero saw them last on Thursday afternoon and his leg wasn't looking good. I think is getting worse as last year.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 12:43 AM)Timbavati Wrote: Almeo saw them last on Thursday afternoon and his leg wasn't looking good. I think is getting worse as last year.
Yeah as i tought, he is dragging that for some time now.. And as he is around or close to 10 yrs old it prob wont get better..
As im sad for Monwana males, im glad for Sumatra/Hercules, Sumatra prob doesnt have much left, so to gain territory and sire some cubs immidiately is crucial.. As they didnt succeed in Skorro pride.. It would be shame we dont have some legacy of those fine specimens like Sumatra and Hercules.. Sumatra is one of the most beautiful males i've seen in his younger days.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - BA0701 - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 12:54 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(04-26-2021, 12:43 AM)Timbavati Wrote: Almeo saw them last on Thursday afternoon and his leg wasn't looking good. I think is getting worse as last year.
Yeah as i tought, he is dragging that for some time now.. And as he is around or close to 10 yrs old it prob wont get better..
As im sad for Monwana males, im glad for Sumatra/Hercules, Sumatra prob doesnt have much left, so to gain territory and sire some cubs immidiately is crucial.. As they didnt succeed in Skorro pride.. It would be shame we dont have some legacy of those fine specimens like Sumatra and Hercules.. Sumatra is one of the most beautiful males i've seen in his younger days.
Isn't Sumatra Hercules son? Seems Hercules is currently in better condition.
Also, were the Monwanas BDM only surviving male offspring, did he leave behind any others to carry on his legacy?