(04-22-2021, 11:41 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 11:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote: I thought, after Giraffe Male and some females slipped through "a hole in the fence", that they were going to repair the fence. Do you know if there is indeed a "hole", and if so how could they allow this again? The fact that this is being permitted is more a concern about the reserve, than it is about the private property of Sandrigham, in my opinion. We are aware that people associated with Sandrigham are known poachers, so is expected for those people to have poor ethical standards, but for a reserve to again permit their animals to freely cross into such a place is troubling in my mind

I dont think its a hole, i think its open..

(04-22-2021, 11:54 PM)BA0701 Wrote: From that article you found, the one that described the poaching arrests at Sandrigham:

"According to Timbavati chief warden, Brian Haveman, Sandringham is located to the south west of the lower Timbavati, and separated by a game fence."

(04-22-2021, 11:57 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 11:54 PM)BA0701 Wrote: From that article you found, the one that described the poaching arrests at Sandrigham:

"According to Timbavati chief warden, Brian Haveman, Sandringham is located to the south west of the lower Timbavati, and separated by a game fence."

Yea it was, but idk if it is still, because those reports from Thornybush sound like its normal for them to lions move in Sandringham..

Here is a map, its not like Sandringham only borders with Thornybush :

*This image is copyright of its original author

Idk, maybe somebody knows some guide at Thornybush to ask them if they droped fences towards Sandringham..

(04-22-2021, 11:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:55 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:17 PM)Timbavati Wrote: Update from a couple of days ago provide by Rudi Hulshof: The 6 Blackdam Males are still living in Sandringham. They were seen on our entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush about a week ago. They are scared to return because of the larger Xikukutsu and Mapoza males.
Also, The three Thornybush/Monwana Males (sons of the Trilogy male) are in the South-Western Corner on a property called Waterbuck most of the time. They have been there about 3 months now.

Really concerned about 6 Bdm's and 3 Monwana males that they move in Sandringham and "disappear" like Giraffe male..

Why are they having open fences with Sandrigham?

About the Thornybush males, I don't know if the are on Sandringham dam area, In fact, are the Black dam males that are still there.

I thought, after Giraffe Male and some females slipped through "a hole in the fence", that they were going to repair the fence. Do you know if there is indeed a "hole", and if so how could they allow this again? The fact that this is being permitted is more a concern about the reserve, than it is about the private property of Sandrigham, in my opinion. We are aware that people associated with Sandrigham are known poachers, so is expected for those people to have poor ethical standards, but for a reserve to again permit their animals to freely cross into such a place is troubling in my mind.

(04-23-2021, 02:48 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 11:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:55 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:17 PM)Timbavati Wrote: Update from a couple of days ago provide by Rudi Hulshof: The 6 Blackdam Males are still living in Sandringham. They were seen on our entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush about a week ago. They are scared to return because of the larger Xikukutsu and Mapoza males.
Also, The three Thornybush/Monwana Males (sons of the Trilogy male) are in the South-Western Corner on a property called Waterbuck most of the time. They have been there about 3 months now.

Really concerned about 6 Bdm's and 3 Monwana males that they move in Sandringham and "disappear" like Giraffe male..

Why are they having open fences with Sandrigham?

About the Thornybush males, I don't know if the are on Sandringham dam area, In fact, are the Black dam males that are still there.

I thought, after Giraffe Male and some females slipped through "a hole in the fence", that they were going to repair the fence. Do you know if there is indeed a "hole", and if so how could they allow this again? The fact that this is being permitted is more a concern about the reserve, than it is about the private property of Sandrigham, in my opinion. We are aware that people associated with Sandrigham are known poachers, so is expected for those people to have poor ethical standards, but for a reserve to again permit their animals to freely cross into such a place is troubling in my mind.

I don't think that  there is a "hole" between the Sandringham dam and Thornybush, as Sandringham dam is located between the borders of Thornybush in the West, Timbavati in the North and East, and the Orpen Gate Road to the South, Sandringham dam is a small area of 11030 AC (4400 HA) thus, If the Giraffe male is still alive, he's on a good zone (as I doubt that there are poachers around)

(04-23-2021, 02:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 02:48 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 11:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:55 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:17 PM)Timbavati Wrote: Update from a couple of days ago provide by Rudi Hulshof: The 6 Blackdam Males are still living in Sandringham. They were seen on our entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush about a week ago. They are scared to return because of the larger Xikukutsu and Mapoza males.
Also, The three Thornybush/Monwana Males (sons of the Trilogy male) are in the South-Western Corner on a property called Waterbuck most of the time. They have been there about 3 months now.

Really concerned about 6 Bdm's and 3 Monwana males that they move in Sandringham and "disappear" like Giraffe male..

Why are they having open fences with Sandrigham?

About the Thornybush males, I don't know if the are on Sandringham dam area, In fact, are the Black dam males that are still there.

I thought, after Giraffe Male and some females slipped through "a hole in the fence", that they were going to repair the fence. Do you know if there is indeed a "hole", and if so how could they allow this again? The fact that this is being permitted is more a concern about the reserve, than it is about the private property of Sandrigham, in my opinion. We are aware that people associated with Sandrigham are known poachers, so is expected for those people to have poor ethical standards, but for a reserve to again permit their animals to freely cross into such a place is troubling in my mind.

I don't think that  there is a "hole" between the Sandringham dam and Thornybush, as Sandringham dam is located between the borders of Thornybush in the West, Timbavati in the North and East, and the Orpen Gate Road to the South, Sandringham dam is a small area of 11030 AC (4400 HA) thus, If the Giraffe male is still alive, he's on a good zone (as I doubt that there are poachers around)

If there is no hole, and a game fence as mentioned in the article about the poachers from the Sandrigham property exists, how are so many lions able to pass back and forth between the properties? I truly hope Giraffe Male is well, just concerning with having gone so long without any sightings.

(04-23-2021, 03:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 02:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 02:48 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 11:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:55 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:17 PM)Timbavati Wrote: Update from a couple of days ago provide by Rudi Hulshof: The 6 Blackdam Males are still living in Sandringham. They were seen on our entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush about a week ago. They are scared to return because of the larger Xikukutsu and Mapoza males.
Also, The three Thornybush/Monwana Males (sons of the Trilogy male) are in the South-Western Corner on a property called Waterbuck most of the time. They have been there about 3 months now.

Really concerned about 6 Bdm's and 3 Monwana males that they move in Sandringham and "disappear" like Giraffe male..

Why are they having open fences with Sandrigham?

About the Thornybush males, I don't know if the are on Sandringham dam area, In fact, are the Black dam males that are still there.

I thought, after Giraffe Male and some females slipped through "a hole in the fence", that they were going to repair the fence. Do you know if there is indeed a "hole", and if so how could they allow this again? The fact that this is being permitted is more a concern about the reserve, than it is about the private property of Sandrigham, in my opinion. We are aware that people associated with Sandrigham are known poachers, so is expected for those people to have poor ethical standards, but for a reserve to again permit their animals to freely cross into such a place is troubling in my mind.

I don't think that  there is a "hole" between the Sandringham dam and Thornybush, as Sandringham dam is located between the borders of Thornybush in the West, Timbavati in the North and East, and the Orpen Gate Road to the South, Sandringham dam is a small area of 11030 AC (4400 HA) thus, If the Giraffe male is still alive, he's on a good zone (as I doubt that there are poachers around)

If there is no hole, and a game fence as mentioned in the article about the poachers from the Sandrigham property exists, how are so many lions able to pass back and forth between the properties? I truly hope Giraffe Male is well, just concerning with having gone so long without any sightings.

In Thornybush has a entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush, Just were the six Black dam young males were seen a few weeks ago

(04-23-2021, 03:49 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 03:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 02:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 02:48 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 11:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:55 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:17 PM)Timbavati Wrote: Update from a couple of days ago provide by Rudi Hulshof: The 6 Blackdam Males are still living in Sandringham. They were seen on our entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush about a week ago. They are scared to return because of the larger Xikukutsu and Mapoza males.
Also, The three Thornybush/Monwana Males (sons of the Trilogy male) are in the South-Western Corner on a property called Waterbuck most of the time. They have been there about 3 months now.

Really concerned about 6 Bdm's and 3 Monwana males that they move in Sandringham and "disappear" like Giraffe male..

Why are they having open fences with Sandrigham?

About the Thornybush males, I don't know if the are on Sandringham dam area, In fact, are the Black dam males that are still there.

I thought, after Giraffe Male and some females slipped through "a hole in the fence", that they were going to repair the fence. Do you know if there is indeed a "hole", and if so how could they allow this again? The fact that this is being permitted is more a concern about the reserve, than it is about the private property of Sandrigham, in my opinion. We are aware that people associated with Sandrigham are known poachers, so is expected for those people to have poor ethical standards, but for a reserve to again permit their animals to freely cross into such a place is troubling in my mind.

I don't think that  there is a "hole" between the Sandringham dam and Thornybush, as Sandringham dam is located between the borders of Thornybush in the West, Timbavati in the North and East, and the Orpen Gate Road to the South, Sandringham dam is a small area of 11030 AC (4400 HA) thus, If the Giraffe male is still alive, he's on a good zone (as I doubt that there are poachers around)

If there is no hole, and a game fence as mentioned in the article about the poachers from the Sandrigham property exists, how are so many lions able to pass back and forth between the properties? I truly hope Giraffe Male is well, just concerning with having gone so long without any sightings.

In Thornybush has a entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush, Just were the six Black dam young males were seen a few weeks ago

Ah, perfect, thank you for that @"Timbavati" . Is that the same place Giraffe Male is believed to have crossed as well?

(04-23-2021, 04:23 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 03:49 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 03:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 02:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-23-2021, 02:48 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 11:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:55 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-22-2021, 09:17 PM)Timbavati Wrote: Update from a couple of days ago provide by Rudi Hulshof: The 6 Blackdam Males are still living in Sandringham. They were seen on our entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush about a week ago. They are scared to return because of the larger Xikukutsu and Mapoza males.
Also, The three Thornybush/Monwana Males (sons of the Trilogy male) are in the South-Western Corner on a property called Waterbuck most of the time. They have been there about 3 months now.

Really concerned about 6 Bdm's and 3 Monwana males that they move in Sandringham and "disappear" like Giraffe male..

Why are they having open fences with Sandrigham?

About the Thornybush males, I don't know if the are on Sandringham dam area, In fact, are the Black dam males that are still there.

I thought, after Giraffe Male and some females slipped through "a hole in the fence", that they were going to repair the fence. Do you know if there is indeed a "hole", and if so how could they allow this again? The fact that this is being permitted is more a concern about the reserve, than it is about the private property of Sandrigham, in my opinion. We are aware that people associated with Sandrigham are known poachers, so is expected for those people to have poor ethical standards, but for a reserve to again permit their animals to freely cross into such a place is troubling in my mind.

I don't think that  there is a "hole" between the Sandringham dam and Thornybush, as Sandringham dam is located between the borders of Thornybush in the West, Timbavati in the North and East, and the Orpen Gate Road to the South, Sandringham dam is a small area of 11030 AC (4400 HA) thus, If the Giraffe male is still alive, he's on a good zone (as I doubt that there are poachers around)

If there is no hole, and a game fence as mentioned in the article about the poachers from the Sandrigham property exists, how are so many lions able to pass back and forth between the properties? I truly hope Giraffe Male is well, just concerning with having gone so long without any sightings.

In Thornybush has a entrance road, the boundary between sandringham and Thornybush, Just were the six Black dam young males were seen a few weeks ago

Ah, perfect, thank you for that @"Timbavati" . Is that the same place Giraffe Male is believed to have crossed as well?

I couldn't confirm that, Hercules and Sumatra males were seen on Sandringham area in late October 2020

(04-23-2021, 08:16 AM)Timbavati Wrote: These two aren't Mbiri males, these are the Nsemani males, Older Mbiri and the Rockfig male

(04-23-2021, 06:52 AM)sik94 Wrote: