(05-13-2017, 08:57 AM)sanjay Wrote: Mr @Garfield ,
You have been warned previously, But you still continue with crap hypothetical post about Lion and Tiger fights. We have deleted your posts which talk about Lion fighting tiger.

And this is final warning, one more such post will result in permanent ban on you.

(07-09-2017, 08:39 PM)SVTIGRIS Wrote: This may have been posted before but I can't quite recall.




Were Tigers responsible for driving lions out of India?
Lions migrated out of Africa during the 800–100 thousand years ago into Europe, Asia and North America extending as far south as Peru and becoming the most widespread large terrestrial mammals during the 100–10 thousand years ago.

On the other hand tigers originated in Eastern Asia and than dispersed South, South-west, North and North-west & reached India about 12000 to 16000 years ago, where lions were already present.

Of course increased killing & poaching & loss of habitat due to human population expansion have pushed the lions towards extinction but than the same is applicable to even tigers & in fact tiger's highly valuable skin & body parts are sought for use in traditional Chinese medicine and exotic recipes & this makes them more vulnerable to poaching relatively, so why is it that tigers still occupy more territory than lions in India?

The only factor responsible for this is...... the tiger.

The following are theories that support the notion that tigers are the main reason why lions no longer inhabit India:

"It (the tiger) was more cunning and powerful than the lion and therefore it killed off or drove the lion away from the areas it occupied." [Kesri Singh, Oct. 26, 1955, Experiments in implanting African lions into Madhya Bharat - Journal, Bombay Natural History Society, Vol. 53, (p. 465-46 8)]

"Then the tiger came down from the north-from Siberia and Manchuria-and the lion slowly began to lose ground before that more active animal." [Kenneth Anderson, The Call of the Man-Eater, Chilton Books, Philadelphia and New York, 1961 (p. 210)]

"If tigers arrived in India later than lions, as is possible, then there is every probability that they were the containing factor" [Richard Perry, The World of the Tiger, Atheneum, New York, 1965 (p.165)]

"Often larger and stronger than the lion, the tiger is credited with driving it from India" [Jack Denton Scott, Speaking Wildly, William Morrow & Company, Inc. New York, 1966 (p. 256)]

"The lion … reaching northern India before they were halted, presumably by tigers coming from the other direction." [Franklin Russell, The Hunting Animal, Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc., New York, 1983 (p.38)]

"They say it is dangerous for the lions to be in tiger territory. But just eight tigers in Kuno pose no grave threat" [Dionne Bunsha, "A kingdom too small", Frontline , Vol. 22, Issue 10, May 7-20, 2005] Kuno tiger reserve is identified as a proposed translocation site in Madhya Pradesh.

Madhya Pradesh has been trying to lay its hand on a few of Gir’s surplus lions for more than a decade, hoping to move them to a forest near Gwalior, to its Kunopalpur forest reserve.

Gujarat didn’t actually refuse to move lions: It simply did not.

The MP government has since approached the Supreme Court, but Gujarat refuses.

“Why should we give up our lions?” a senior politician argued, requesting anonymity.

Wildlife experts cite another reason. “Lions and tigers can’t stay in the same forest,” said S.K. Nanda, state environment and forest secretary. “There are tigers at Kunopalpur. We won’t sacrifice our lions.”

[In Gir, too many lions, too little space, November 16, 2008, Hindustan Times]

• grassland species,
• gets into a screaming frenzy each evening,
• bold,
• easily detectable,
• somewhat lazy & thus show greater affinity to kill cattle,
• multiple adults can bagged together,
• known & glorified trophy game of rulers invading from west (eg: GreekoPersians, Arabs, Turks, Mughals, British etc.)
  

• woodland species,
• mostly silent but for mating calls,
• shy & solitary,
• even a lot of tribal elders haven't had the honour of seeing one,
• only the pushovers come to human contact at forest edges,
  

• can be hunted if a bait is (un)lucky or you'll have to beat the whole forest (this was how tiger hunts happened),
• even today is giving us pleasant surprises as camera traps reveal unknown populations hidden from us (eg: East-Thailand, Northeast India)
  

Quote:Kuno wildlife sanctuary to be notified national park

TNN | Aug 1, 2017, 12:55 PM IST

BHOPAL: The Madhya Pradesh forest department is likely to notify Kuno wildlife sanctuary as a national park — the last condition imposed by a Supreme Court-appointed committee for translocation of Asiatic lions from Gir.

In January this year, Gujarat's forest department had placed its objections before this 12-member committee and demanded that 36 studies be completed before lions can be transferred to MP.
"Converting this wildlife sanctuary into a national park was the last condition we were asked to comply with. So this is being done. I don't think there is anything else left," said a senior official in the forest department.

Issues like prey base, habitat, vegetation and weather are said to be conductive for shifting of lions to Kuno. The MP forest department had promised to complete all formal processes of declaring Kuno as a 'national park' by the end of February, but failed to do so following varied administrative problems. "The notification declaring Kuno as a national park is likely to be issued in a few days" said the officer, adding there won't be any further delay. The expert committee had visited Kuno last December.
After spending nearly five hours at the sanctuary, the panel members found the atmosphere in Kuno-Palpur conducive to the shifting of lions." Gujarat, too, could not question much on MP's preparedness to host the lions.



Gujarat government had moved a curative petition in Supreme Court as its last legal resort to retain its Asiatic lions. This was also dismissed. But then in another blow to MP's hopes, two Gujarat-based NGOs filed separate petitions challenging translocation of lions to Kuno.
When shortage of prey base was cited as one of the major objections, the state declared 700 sq km as a protected area to resolve the issue. Sources said the prey base, which was presented before the court in 2013, was nearly 350 sq. km, which is the core sanctuary area. While MP won the eight-year-long legal battle with Gujarat in 2013, the latter had been dilly-dallying compliance.

(08-11-2017, 02:29 PM)sanjay Wrote: Great news,
This show how mean is Gujarat Forest department. They can give lions of useless etawah lion safari, but do not want to give it to MP

(08-11-2017, 02:29 PM)sanjay Wrote: This show how mean is Gujarat Forest department. They can give lions of useless etawah lion safari, but do not want to give it to MP

(08-18-2017, 08:30 AM)Wolverine Wrote: Thank you for your informative answer Rishi! So you think there is no potential habitat for lions outside Khatiawar peninsula? What about Rann of Kutch, maybe local 4000 strong Indian wild ass population could feed several lion prides?