Lions of Timbavati - Printable Version

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - titose - 03-26-2021

(03-26-2021, 07:04 PM)Potato Wrote: @Herekitty any idea who those males on video are? Giraffe males? It is dated on July 2013

@Potato I see them as young Skybed males.

RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 03-27-2021

(03-26-2021, 07:40 PM)Potato Wrote: Comment of Rudi Hulshof (Thornybush ranger) from facebook group:

Case in point, one of the Xikukutsu male lions had a fight 3 days ago and had an arterial bleed that could have led to his death, fortunately the clotting happened before he bled out, but he lost a good 2 or more litres of blood during a sighting, even going into shock and vomiting before collapsing.

Had he died, there are very few “fanatics” that would have believed he died of natural causes and there would be those who would have demanded photographic proof before they stopped spreading rumors that he had been killed by hunters etc.

From Lions Of Timbavati facebook page (video in the link):
What a sighting!

The smaller Xikukutsu male was seen involved on a fight with the Mapoza male! The Mapoza male beaten pretty badly to the smaller of the Xikukutsu male, The Mapoza male later was seen with some of the Monwana females!
Video by: Tyrone Soekoe

https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/videos/3843273849041403

I wander if that he fought Mapoza male is just assumption or was a fight actually seen by someone.

https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/videos/3843273849041403

More comments on that event from Rudi:

This is exactly what I speak about. The inaccuracies.
Nobody actually saw the fight. Nobody can say for sure what happened.
Saying he fought with Mapoza is speculation and not fact.
The facts are that he was seen moving back towards the Blackdam females who were running away from the Avoca pride that were a good 5km further South than they have ever been before. They were feeding on a Zebra. The fight could easily have been between the 10 members of the Avoca pride and the Xikukutsu who found them feeding on a Zebra. The fight may have been between the females of the Blackdam pride and the Avoca pride and he got between them. It could have been a number of things, but nobody saw it actually happen.
And to say Mapoza was found with the Monwana pride is false. He was found another 2 km further south with a Blackdam lioness.
So please stop making statements as though they are fact, because it’s all just guessing that is going on.

Yes he (note: injured Xikukutsu male) is fine. I followed him
This morning on a safari.

Added to my already made comments, there is also the fact that the 3 Thornybush Males ( Younger Monwana Males ) have been in this area for the past month and have been in the South Western corner of the reserve, not even 2 km from where the injured Xikukutsu was found bleeding.
Again, your question about wether it’s fact or not is so important, because who is to say that these 3 males did not find him and beat him up?
It’s dangerous to make statements as if they are fact when nobody saw anything and cannot prove anything because it all happened before the drives departed in the morning.

RE: Lions of Timbavati - Herekitty - 03-27-2021

(03-26-2021, 07:14 AM)Gijima Wrote: @Potato @Herekitty Thanks for the IDs. This filled in a lot of missing pieces about what went on in Ngala from 2014-2015. It seems like Matimbas and Giraffe Males were dominant in that area (using that word loosely) and there were cubs born from these males.

Re-posting with credits/labels.
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http://www.ljaxphotos.com/photoGalleries/index/ngala-safari-lodge-timbavati-reserve-limpopo/limit:100

JULY 2014- NGALA- Split Nose Matimba (?)

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Ngala- July 2014- Stumpy- Birmingham Lioness?

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October 2014- White Faced Giraffe Male w/ Birmingham Lioness (I think--- this lioness looks exactly like the old lioness of the current Birmingham breakaway pride)
https://www.wild4photographicsafaris.com/

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Same sighting- Oct 2014- Ngala- Cubs born to this pride....

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Credit: Traveling Safari Bug
Ngala- 2015- Old Avoca Male? Mating Pair:

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Young Birmingham Boy (Mfumo?)- Ngala 2014- Ljaxphotos

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@Potato is on the money, that first male does look like Slitnose Matimba. And @titose is correct that video is likely the young Skybeds based on age. The photo of the female with the whiteface Giraffe male is probably an Avoca female, Shindzela and Ngala are adjacent to each other, and the Giraffes and Avoca pride were often seen in Ngala at this time. The Giraffe males confronted and were repelled a number of times by the three Northern Matimbas in 14/15. It wasn't until Nov/Dec when Shaka was killed by the Giraffes that Slitnose and Whiteface Matimbas forced out of Ngala to Manyeleti and Orpen. They retained the Scorro pride for another year until Slitnose was killed (probably by the Giraffes) in Jan. 2017. I believe Slitnose had taken a leg injury hunting in 2016 and was an easy target by then. The photo before Mfumo is Whiteface Matimba with a Scorro female.

Here is the Giraffe number 2 after taking a beaten and being searated from his bros by the Northern Matimbas in mid-2015. Images by Tom Friedel

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The two older Giraffes were large and resilient males and had youth and brothers on their side, and once the Matimbas were down to two their defeat was inevitable. However, it should be noted that the famous old warriors didn't give up easily.

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 03-27-2021

Magnificent males Hondo (The Black one )

Xantshema ( The Warlord ) recently moved into the Umbabat Private Nature Reserve

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Herekitty - 03-28-2021

@TinoArmando The legend called Ring!
Ring born into the Black Dam Pride in the year 1996 what a legend!
photo credits: Willem Bosch

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That is actually Marvin the Monwana male. His face is crisscrossed with scars that angle down to his right, and a transverse scar under the right eye. Kirsten Feltmann 2013

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Marcel Span, 2012

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Carl Burdett, 2013

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I have yet to see a photo, or read a report of this legendary Ring. In June 2010 this was the young ruler of the Southern Pride (later known as Blackdam pride). Images by Darryl Milner.

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At that time they had cubs, one of whom was a male, seen on the bottom of these two.

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This Southern male was the son and coalition partner of the legendary Bubezi, the most photographed of all Thornybush lions who was the splitting image of the Blackdam male and lived until at least 2010. Image by Ross Drummond 2006

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Joe Ross, 2007

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African Gateway Travel, 2009

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In my humble opinion, one of these two are the Blackdam males' father.

RE: Lions of Timbavati - Herekitty - 03-28-2021

Marvin also had the Blackdam nose, because he was Bubezi's second son from the Southern Pride's 2002/3 litter. He went on to control the Northern (Monwana) pride, while his brother went on to control the Southern (Blackdam) pride. Image by Andy Montano 2011.

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Littermates - Marvin on the left. Image by Newby Garonga 2005

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Image by Dean Russell 2007.

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Bubezi was born in 1996. I suspect at some point someone mixed up his name with 'Ring'. Usually a neighbouring Lodge. One thing is for sure - he was a badass lion. Image Paolo Giorgiotta, 2009.

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Ian H, 2006.

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lauriedener, 2009.

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 03-29-2021

Mapoza male moving more south claiming the Blackdam territory with the Xikukutsu Boys on Thornybush
Photo by: Leo Bodgies

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 03-29-2021

(03-28-2021, 10:20 PM)Herekitty Wrote: Marvin also had the Blackdam nose, because he was Bubezi's second son from the Southern Pride's 2002/3 litter. He went on to control the Northern (Monwana) pride, while his brother went on to control the Southern (Blackdam) pride. Image by Andy Montano 2011.

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Littermates - Marvin on the left. Image by Newby Garonga 2005

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Image by Dean Russell 2007.

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Bubezi was born in 1996. I suspect at some point someone mixed up his name with 'Ring'. Usually a neighbouring Lodge. One thing is for sure - he was a badass lion. Image Paolo Giorgiotta, 2009.

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Ian H, 2006.

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lauriedener, 2009.

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Cool post. I'm glad to back here and see these post, Good job!

RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 03-29-2021

Monwana pride cubs

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 03-30-2021

The smaller maned Xikukutsu male #lionsporting a new scratch from a battle a few days ago here at @royalmalewane in South Africa.
Him and his brother have been an almost permanent feature down in the Southern parts of the reserve of late as they exert their dominance over the @blackdampride of #lions and stake a claim to rule their territory and start fathering future cubs to keep the population growing.
A great time to visits and experience your own #wildlife photographic #safari.

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 03-30-2021

Hosi - one of our beautiful dominant males - showing exactly why his name means "king"

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What a fabulous morning we had yesterday with him and his coalition partner Socha both relaxing with three of the River pride lionesses. It seems one lioness is possibly coming into oestrus and Hosi was paying her very close attention. Not sure if the Klaserie is ready for even more cubs

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Herekitty - 03-31-2021

In September 2005, John Broughton presented photographs of the Southern (later Blackdam) pride males in Thornybush.

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The next month Astrid Claessen posted more shots of the two males.

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The second male shows whisker patterns consistent with the male known as Bubezi, in particular with the spacing on either side of the fourth dot from the nose, as seen with numerous shots including the one below by Irwan Roberts from 2010.

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From 2006 on, photos of the Southern pride seem to only feature Bubezi with two subadult males and the pride females. Joe Ross, March 2007.

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In 2008, Jarl Anderson wrote of the 12 year old Alpha male with one of his two sons.

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Again in 2008 Carol Leckie photographed the Alpha with both sons.

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Of the two subadult males, the guy above is distinguished by a lighter mane, a wider face and a scar on the right front of his nose, which he carried into adulthood. Image by Jordan Harper, July 2008.

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Image by Gareth Richman, Nov. 2008.

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In June 2010, he was identified as the Southern pride male along with photographs of the young Blackdam male by Darryl Milner.

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And also seen the following year by Willem Bosch.

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The other subadult seen with Bubezi was distinguished by a more angular face, light coloured eyes and a predatorial gaze. Image by Joe Ross 2007.

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He also developed a darker mane earlier. Image by Willem Bosch, 2008

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Eric R Porcher, 2009.

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Tauni, April 2012.

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Bubezi was photographed up until 2010, but nothing beyond then. I apologise for hammering this out, but up until now no one else has bothered. Image by Lauren Barkume.

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Herekitty - 03-31-2021

The old, Old Ross males Tyson and Fabio from Klaserie in 2010, from around the time when in the words of NThambo Tree Camp, they were killed in a hunting accident, which is double speak for, they were trophy hunted. Tyson up first since you've probable never seen him before, and he's pretty as a picture. Image by jessb!

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And the uber handsome Fabio. Image by Viginia Quinn.

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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Brahim - 04-01-2021

1/2 Xikukutsu males strolling looking for his brother.
@Thornybush, Timbavati
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CNGBQ42Alsl/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 04-01-2021

A few days ago, young break away lions from a pride in Klaserie Game Reserve managed to find their way onto Rockfigs property! One of the benefits of guiding in an open ecosystem as large as the Kruger is that you will inevitably see new faces moving in now and then. These youngsters probably separated because of pressure exerted by new males that looked for a takeover of their natal pride. They've been found towards our western boundaries during the past weeks and are the lions featuring in a previous clip on the Playlist Epic Wildlife!