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RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - peter - 07-11-2016
Better not show them to WaveRiders, who just finished a long post on Amur tigers and Amur bears (Carnivora). The message was familiar (Amur tigers better consult an advisor when contemplating attacking a bear) and I expect a contribution of Warsaw soon to wind it up. But they could have a point, as wild Amurs are smaller than their captive relatives. Or are they?
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Pckts - 07-12-2016
(07-10-2016, 01:29 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Young kruger. BTW there are tigers in the next enclosure, but they get along very well
I remember the image you posted of them together in one shot.
This one I believe?
Igor and his friend. Photos are misleading, Igor is much bigger than this 2yo kruger lion.
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-12-2016
(07-11-2016, 11:56 PM)peter Wrote: Better not show them to WaveRiders, who just finished a long post on Amur tigers and Amur bears (Carnivora). The message was familiar (Amur tigers better consult an advisor when contemplating attacking a bear) and I expect a contribution of Warsaw soon to wind it up. But they could have a point, as wild Amurs are smaller than their captive relatives. Or are they?
What I find interesting is that even huge tigers are surprisingly fast and agile, much more than you would expect when you consider their size. People who saw them jumping or "fighting" are always amazed by the elegance of their moves. Ofc you cant compare them with pumas, who are the miracle of nature when it comes to speed and agility. Anyway I think that tigers and pumas have something common in their body construction - muscular legs + long and lean bodies.
BTW I have seen quite serious fight between 2 sumatran sisters (almost 2yo). Very fast, very furious...and it lasted couple of minutes.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-12-2016
(07-11-2016, 11:56 PM)peter Wrote: Better not show them to WaveRiders, who just finished a long post on Amur tigers and Amur bears (Carnivora). The message was familiar (Amur tigers better consult an advisor when contemplating attacking a bear) and I expect a contribution of Warsaw soon to wind it up. But they could have a point, as wild Amurs are smaller than their captive relatives. Or are they?
BTW is there any reason why we feel the need to discuss these animal vs. animal things? Its some kind of irrational obsession and such debates very quickly get emotional and agressive. I remember some people even creating false evidence...which is completely ridiculous because they were just deluding themselves. Is there any psychological reason for this phenomenon? Is it some kind of subconscious process?
As far as I know, Jung said that Anima has the form of a big cat...
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-12-2016
pckts: yes, this one. Barbary lions (male, female) were there before and Igor acted agressively towards them. Breeders moved them into another cage and young crugers (male, female) came instead. Later the barbary male has been killed by the lioness.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-12-2016
P. l. bleyenberghi. I think this subspecies is one of the bigger, but this lion is rather smallish...150-160 kg? Thats not much for a lion, they are usually 170-180 kg, sometimes even more.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-12-2016
He is beautifull. He lives with his sister, breeders tried to separate them in order to breed them, but the lions suffered so much that they had to stay in same enclosure. Its also impossible to give him another lioness, because his sister wont allow that. The lioness has been also involved in a fight with malayan tigress...while the lion had a fight with amur leopard.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-13-2016
not my photo :-) still the same tiger...I think he is around 4yo at this photo
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-13-2016
tigresses
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-13-2016
the tiger is male and he is 36 months old. I dont know exact age of the lion...I just know that he is of the same age as the tiger or older.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-13-2016
this is probably male
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Polar - 07-13-2016
At post #245, note the size of the tiger's head to the lion's (or is it because he is slightly closer to the camera?). Lion looks to be of the Nubican/East African subspecies, which explains its smaller facial area (probably) for the same relative age as the tiger.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Pckts - 07-14-2016
(07-13-2016, 06:02 AM)Polar Wrote: At post #245, note the size of the tiger's head to the lion's (or is it because he is slightly closer to the camera?). Lion looks to be of the Nubican/East African subspecies, which explains its smaller facial area (probably) for the same relative age as the tiger.
The size of their skulls are still relatively close, they overlap and sometimes they alternate.
A lion may have a longer skull on average but that doesn't mean that tigers don't surpass lion skull size at times. It's always about individuals, tigers have reached the 16'' mark before and if the library of skulls were larger, they'd probably have many more.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-14-2016
7yo, 220 kg. Pure muscle, very agile and elegant in his moves (despite his impressive size). Agressive. 3years ago, he attacked the breeder and escaped to the visitors area of the zoo.
RE: Zoos, Circuses, Safaris... A Gallery of Captivity - Amnon242 - 07-14-2016
Sometimes you have to be carefull when breeders tell you what are the weights of their animals. This amur male (around 14yo, I think) is from private zoo. The owner told me that he was 340 kg (weighted), when he came to the zoo. I told him that it could be 240, but he insisted that it was 340 kg... :-) But what I saw was typical example of standard amur tiger, that means 200-220 kg. Definitely impressive animal...maybe he could be 240 kg in his prime...maybe...
He has about 5 tigers and 7 lions (or so)...their cages are next to each other and there is quite a lot of interaction between them. In the past some of his tigers shared same enclosure with lions...He told me that according to his experience tigers dont have problems with lions that much. Male tigers are agressive towards other male tigers and male lions are agressive tiowards other male lions.