• The Shishangaan Pride has been seen frequently on the concession. They are in good condition and have been sighted with full bellies. One of the cubs who was previously struggling with mange, has now sustained additional injuries of unknown origin which has left it with a missing eye and injured/tattered ear, however, when sighted, the little cub has not let its condition get the better of him and was still managing to keep up with the rest of the pride.
• The Mananga Pride has been maintaining their stronghold around the north-western parts of our concession, predominantly around Gudzane Dam. The two Shishangaan males were also seen with the Mananga Pride on a few occasions.
• The Mountain Pride has also been seen on the property accompanied by Xihamham (Shish male) on a couple of those occasions.
• An unknown coalition of two males were seen steadily heading in a northly direction around N’wanetsi through territories that have been actively defended by the likes of the Kumana male and Shishangaan males, leaving nothing but tracks as evidence of their presence.
• Another unknown coalition of four adult male lions were seen feeding on a buffalo in the central parts of our concession.
  

(12-05-2020, 05:08 AM)BA0701 Wrote: First thing I thought of as soon as I saw the picture. Clearly there is something going on. I know that AIDS causes sores on people, not sure if it affects cats in the same way, I'm also not sure of the exact affects of TB in cats either, as it seems to affect them differently than it does people. This is all very troubling, to say the least.

(12-06-2020, 02:21 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-05-2020, 05:08 AM)BA0701 Wrote: First thing I thought of as soon as I saw the picture. Clearly there is something going on. I know that AIDS causes sores on people, not sure if it affects cats in the same way, I'm also not sure of the exact affects of TB in cats either, as it seems to affect them differently than it does people. This is all very troubling, to say the least.

Thats muscle eating TB.. As far as I understand, not all TB's are dangerous (same as cancer to humans).. This one is and occurs on back legs of lion (mosty after injury, its some kind of a trigger) and eats whole muscle to the point that even bones are visible, example of Sizanani:

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Exact thing happened to Nsuku and prob Hip Scar Majingilane..

Buddy and DeLaporte Talamati prob have exact thing.. 

It seems that most males in Kruger has TB, but not all have this one which is dangerous..

(12-06-2020, 03:02 AM)Potato Wrote: " Not like there are so many that the losses in such numbers aren't detrimental to the species."

The lion population in the KNP is as healty as it can be. Moreover even one, single male without a competition can cover females even from multiple big prides so low amount of males bassicly never can be an issue. On the any dying pride or ageing male there are always few young males for which it is great opportunity. 

"Not to mention how heartbreaking it is watching them deteriorate in such a way."


You can not just think of pain of those dirrect lions, but also on consequences that helping lions brings up, like for example lifes of prey animals. Helping lion means also death sentence for a multiple species this lion would kill through his life and that is just a one of many issues helping lions would bring.  I am myself great supported of KNP's no intreferance policy. Of course it is sad to see lions we are following and getting attached to die, but unforturetly that is exactly how wildlife works. There are constantly some animals suffering and dying from various reasons like since or just being killed by another animal. The only way to cut such suffering would be to destroy wildlife and close up all the reserves, but would it be what should have been done. I definitelly do not think so. Seeing some lions in wildlife died is just rough reality we have to live with.

(12-06-2020, 03:02 AM)Potato Wrote: You can not just think of pain of those dirrect lions, but also on consequences that helping lions brings up, like for example lifes of prey animals. Helping lion means also death sentence for a multiple species this lion would kill through his life and that is just a one of many issues helping lions would bring.  I am myself great supported of KNP's no intreferance policy. Of course it is sad to see lions we are following and getting attached to die, but unforturetly that is exactly how wildlife works. There are constantly some animals suffering and dying from various reasons like since or just being killed by another animal. The only way to cut such suffering would be to destroy wildlife and close up all the reserves, but would it be what should have been done. I definitelly do not think so. Seeing some lions in wildlife died is just rough reality we have to live with.

(12-06-2020, 03:50 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Whereas the loss of a single male lion can quite directly lead to the loss of many cubs and even some lionesses, and given the much smaller numbers of the lions this could have a much more detrimental impact on so many others in the surrounding areas. Comparing the two is quite simply apples and oranges. The loss of a single lion is far more consequential than the prey he may take as a result of prolonging his life.

(12-06-2020, 03:59 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-06-2020, 03:50 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Whereas the loss of a single male lion can quite directly lead to the loss of many cubs and even some lionesses, and given the much smaller numbers of the lions this could have a much more detrimental impact on so many others in the surrounding areas. Comparing the two is quite simply apples and oranges. The loss of a single lion is far more consequential than the prey he may take as a result of prolonging his life.

Male lion will always get replaced by others.. And even if his cubs will get killed, new coalition will sire new ones.. Thats how it is..

Just look how many lions Majingilanes killed, but they sired more.

(12-06-2020, 03:59 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-06-2020, 03:50 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Whereas the loss of a single male lion can quite directly lead to the loss of many cubs and even some lionesses, and given the much smaller numbers of the lions this could have a much more detrimental impact on so many others in the surrounding areas. Comparing the two is quite simply apples and oranges. The loss of a single lion is far more consequential than the prey he may take as a result of prolonging his life.

Single lion will always get replaced by others.. And even if his cubs will get killed, new coalition will sire new ones.. Thats how it is..

Just look how many lions Majingilanes killed, but they sired more.

(12-06-2020, 04:17 AM)Potato Wrote:

(12-06-2020, 03:59 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-06-2020, 03:50 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Whereas the loss of a single male lion can quite directly lead to the loss of many cubs and even some lionesses, and given the much smaller numbers of the lions this could have a much more detrimental impact on so many others in the surrounding areas. Comparing the two is quite simply apples and oranges. The loss of a single lion is far more consequential than the prey he may take as a result of prolonging his life.

Male lion will always get replaced by others.. And even if his cubs will get killed, new coalition will sire new ones.. Thats how it is..

Just look how many lions Majingilanes killed, but they sired more.

"Argument of a lost of single male leading to loss of many cubs works also in opposite way as this saved lion can kill cubs of other male from other pride."