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RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 10-09-2024
@Apex Titan
This was different case from The case where 3 small gharials were killed by a tiger. This crocodile was also 25 years old.
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 10-09-2024
@Apex Titan
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I think many members are aware of this account. Posted On New Yorker Magazine:
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There were a lot of accusations against the Journalist of fakery and misquotation as Account appeared unreal to some people.
But in 2022, Dr. Sanyal personally verified the case and also explained that Size of Killed Estuarine Croc is Not "Much Overestimated" and also refuted the allegations from His Colleague Dr.P.K.Pandit:
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https://vk.com/wall-207002628_532
RE: Tiger Predation - Chooser - 11-04-2024
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Quote:Tigers hunt down big bears in the Northeast Tiger and Leopard National Park.
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 11-04-2024
(11-04-2024, 02:00 PM)Chooser Wrote: https://youtube.com/shorts/A2fbWZjJQCw?si=UVkasiEO4TAO8EBF This is the link
Nice video
RE: Tiger Predation - BA0701 - 11-05-2024
(11-04-2024, 01:57 PM)Chooser Wrote:
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Quote:Tigers hunt down big bears in the Northeast Tiger and Leopard National Park.
I fixed your post, and deleted the link you posted in another post. I will provide a link to our tutorial section, where we have an explanation on how to embed Youtube shorts videos, which this video is. There are lot of other tutorials there as well, for commonly performed actions on the site. Feel free to contact myself, or any of our other Mods, if you have any further questions, or need assistance of some other sort. I hope this helps!
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-embedding-youtube-shorts-and-live-videos-to-your-post
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 11-05-2024
TIGER SCARES SALTWATER CROCODILE
"Tiger-crocodile encounter in Sundarbans. This picture was caught by a tourist's camera. A tiger comes out of the thicket of the Hetal forest. The crocodile was lying on the grass. Seeing the tiger, the crocodile quickly went down to the creek. The Royal Bengal Tiger, however, saw the crocodile entering the water and did not dare to step there. After observing the area from the bank for some time, the tiger returned to the forest."
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https://bengali.abplive.com/photo-gallery/news/states-tiger-crocodile-face-off-at-the-sunderbans-rare-sight-tourists-photos-802483
@Apex Titan Was Correct. Both tigers and Salties avoid each other. But Salties avoid tigers more than Tigers avoid Salties.
RE: Tiger Predation - Apex Titan - 11-05-2024
(11-05-2024, 04:34 AM)WildWarlord Wrote: TIGER SCARES SALTWATER CROCODILE
"Tiger-crocodile encounter in Sundarbans. This picture was caught by a tourist's camera. A tiger comes out of the thicket of the Hetal forest. The crocodile was lying on the grass. Seeing the tiger, the crocodile quickly went down to the creek. The Royal Bengal Tiger, however, saw the crocodile entering the water and did not dare to step there. After observing the area from the bank for some time, the tiger returned to the forest."
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https://bengali.abplive.com/photo-gallery/news/states-tiger-crocodile-face-off-at-the-sunderbans-rare-sight-tourists-photos-802483
@Apex Titan Was Correct. Both tigers and Salties avoid each other. But Salties avoid tigers more than Tigers avoid Salties.
Interesting account. Nice find.
According to the biologists, researchers, and locals who work in the Sunderbans, the tiger is the absolute top apex predator of the entire Sunderbans ecosystem, occupying the highest position in the food-web, even above the saltwater crocodile.
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 11-05-2024
(11-05-2024, 07:29 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:(11-05-2024, 04:34 AM)WildWarlord Wrote: TIGER SCARES SALTWATER CROCODILE
"Tiger-crocodile encounter in Sundarbans. This picture was caught by a tourist's camera. A tiger comes out of the thicket of the Hetal forest. The crocodile was lying on the grass. Seeing the tiger, the crocodile quickly went down to the creek. The Royal Bengal Tiger, however, saw the crocodile entering the water and did not dare to step there. After observing the area from the bank for some time, the tiger returned to the forest."
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https://bengali.abplive.com/photo-gallery/news/states-tiger-crocodile-face-off-at-the-sunderbans-rare-sight-tourists-photos-802483
@Apex Titan Was Correct. Both tigers and Salties avoid each other. But Salties avoid tigers more than Tigers avoid Salties.
Interesting account. Nice find.
According to the biologists, researchers, and locals who work in the Sunderbans, the tiger is the absolute top apex predator of the entire Sunderbans ecosystem, occupying the highest position in the food-web, even above the saltwater crocodile.
@Apex Titan
Yes. I read and posted those studies of those researchers on Your forum already.
But yes, tigers will avoid confrontation with Saltie in water, cuz they are extremely intelligent and know that they are at huge disadvantage, and retreat to the
land nearby. But if they are in deep water/ far from solid land and Saltie attacks them, they will fight very well and even free themselves/ fend off the crocodile ( Like in 2008, an 11 year old tiger was attacked by a territorial saltie, but despite being injured badly, he still managed to free himself and get to the land).
I know of some local sundarban photographers on facebook saying that its often observed that tigers snarl at Saltie, signalling him to move away before they dive in water.
I contacted J.K. Mallick on gmail recently. He told me there are observations of tigers doing predatory attacks on salties. Upon further enquiry, he said they were healthy adults. He also told me that tiger can win over saltie on land or low water. But he favours Saltie in deep water. He also said that Saltie wont always attack tiger due to risk of injuries. Ahh yes, he also said that anyone can win in water ( implying that tiger can still injure the saltie inside its own element).
Bro my one friend contacted Subrat Mukherjee. He was Field Director of Sundarbans during 2008-2012. He says both avoid each other in water. He also says tigers and salties are equally top aquatic predators. He showed him account from Dr Sanyal, Subrat agrees with the account.
RE: Tiger Predation - Spalea - 11-06-2024
@WildWarlord :
To sum up you:
- The bengal tiger avoids the saltie croc, yes but the saltie croc avoids the tiger too, yes but the tiger avoids less the saltie croc than vice versa...
- I could believe reading a grocer's analysis. And you accidentally don't confuse a mugger croc with a salty croc ? After all in India, it's possible to confuse them, even if the salti croc is clearly bigger.
- No, no, and even in deep water, a salti croc would avoid to be hurt by the tiger. Because the tiger is even an aquatic top predator ! And so on...
OK, just say once again the tiger is the super-mega-ultra-invincible beast predator and everybody will be able to sleep soundly. And a so simple-minded vision of the wild animal life would remain possible.
Even if, personally, I think that a tiger crossing into water a seven-meters salti croc in its true homeland, Nothern Australia, would be in a very serious trouble. But I am really not an expert, only common sense...
RE: Tiger Predation - Apex Titan - 11-06-2024
(11-06-2024, 03:03 PM)Spalea Wrote: @WildWarlord :
To sum up you:
- The bengal tiger avoids the saltie croc, yes but the saltie croc avoids the tiger too, yes but the tiger avoids less the saltie croc than vice versa...
- I could believe reading a grocer's analysis. And you accidentally don't confuse a mugger croc with a salty croc ? After all in India, it's possible to confuse them, even if the salti croc is clearly bigger.
- No, no, and even in deep water, a salti croc would avoid to be hurt by the tiger. Because the tiger is even an aquatic top predator ! And so on...
OK, just say once again the tiger is the super-mega-ultra-invincible beast predator and everybody will be able to sleep soundly. And a so simple-minded vision of the wild animal life would remain possible.
Even if, personally, I think that a tiger crossing into water a seven-meters salti croc in its true homeland, Nothern Australia, would be in a very serious trouble. But I am really not an expert, only common sense...
I agree, a tiger crossing into water with a 7 meter (23 ft!) saltwater crocodile would be in serious trouble. No tiger would stand a chance against such a huge saltie in deep water.
However, to be fair, 'WildWarlord' is not just making things up. He's personally contacted biologists, researchers, and field directors who work in the Sundarbans and study the relationship between the tigers and saltwater crocodiles. He's referencing very good and reliable sources.
The crocodiles that tigers coexist with in the Sundarbans (Bangladesh) are only salties, not mugger crocs. Mugger crocs were declared extinct in Bangladesh in the 20th century. So there are no mugger crocs living in the Sundarbans:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10931098/
In the Sundarbans, tigers routinely swim, hunt, and cross through saltwater crocodile infested waters, in fact, tigers thrive in these waters. And only in very rare cases, have saltwater crocodiles been known to attack tigers in deep water. As a rule, even in deep water, saltwater crocodiles avoid tigers who are swimming through. Why do you think that is?
If saltwater crocodiles posed a serious threat to tigers in the water, then the Sundarban tigers wouldn't be semi-aquatic predators then. And they wouldn't be actively swimming, hunting, and thriving in saltwater crocodile infested waters. But they do, this is telling. Note, Sundarban tigers are the smallest of the Bengal tiger populations, significantly smaller than mainland Bengal tigers, and yet, they are still able to rival the largest subspecies of crocodiles - saltwater crocs in the water. This is according to biologists and researchers who work in the Sundarbans.
"A long-distance swimmer: Unlike tigers on the mainland, the Sundarbans tigers comfortably migrate across borders, swimming from one island to another."
https://roundglasssustain.com/conservation/swamp-tiger-sundarbans
There are also multiple reports of tigers preying on saltwater crocodiles, and even fighting them off in deep water while swimming. But overall, in general, both species avoid each other. The saltie has the advantage in deep water, while the tiger has the advantage on land.
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 11-06-2024
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 11-06-2024
@Spalea
In addition,
My one friend contacted Subrat Mukherjee, former Field Director of Sundarbans, with 35 years of field experience.
My friend's question:
"Tigers swim for long distances in creeks and rivers, do crocodiles avoid them or they attack them? Do tiger fends away the croc or gets drowned?"
Subrat Mukherjee's Answer:
"They do exist and avoid each other. Tigers can not be drowned. They are not food of each other."
Note that my friend asked on the behaviour of tigers while encounter Saltwater Crocodiles in water.
Subrat says they both avoid each other (in water). Ok it makes sense/logical/intelligent for tigers to retreat to the nearby land if stalked by salties and avoid unneccesary battle (if there is otherwise tiger will defend itself). But why Salties usually avoid tigers in their own element?
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 11-06-2024
My friend's email to Subrat
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Subrat's reply to him
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RE: Tiger Predation - Spalea - 11-07-2024
@Apex Titan :
OK, if you told that tigers are able to prey on saltwater crocs regularly, I admit it... Before knowing you, I considered that a tiger couldn't every time win against a bear weighing two times more heavy. I considered a big male bear as being a rival for the felid, not a prey. But the Serguei Aramilev's account and video changed my opinion.
And even if a part of me stays reluctant to an absolute super predator's existence.
And sorry @"WildWarlord" for having been too "ironic".
RE: Tiger Predation - WildWarlord - 11-07-2024
@Spalea
I contacted Professor Jayanta Kumar Mallick, a former forest directorate and has decade of field experience at Sundarbans.
He also says that Saltie wont always challenge the tiger cuz its risky for its own life. This means that tiger can even seriously injure Saltie in water
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