(10-30-2020, 09:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-30-2020, 09:31 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: Hercules male seen recently South Western areas of Timbavati, and currently on Sandringham

Wait, what are they doing there?? They abandoned/lost Scorro pride?

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(10-30-2020, 08:27 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: What a good news!
Hercules and Sumatra were seen recently
Information by Rudi Hulshof!  Not my images.
Sorry about cell phone quality, but looking for an ID on these two please. South Western areas of Timbavati, and currently on Sandringham. Looks like one has a heating wound on his back between the shoulders.
I'll share the images soon. I need download the images

(10-31-2020, 02:49 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-30-2020, 08:27 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: What a good news!
Hercules and Sumatra were seen recently
Information by Rudi Hulshof!  Not my images.
Sorry about cell phone quality, but looking for an ID on these two please. South Western areas of Timbavati, and currently on Sandringham. Looks like one has a heating wound on his back between the shoulders.
I'll share the images soon. I need download the images

Did they not close the fence going into Sandringham? That'll be disappointing if they leave it open.

(10-31-2020, 03:14 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: I'm very surprised, and concerned much as you my friend.

Today I'll try to talk a few hours with Rudi Hulshof about this fence between those areas as Thornybush,Timbavati  and the Sandringham area as well. A very curious point is  that they have traveling a very far distances judging by the location where they were seen recently. The Injuries of the Sumatra male look like to be inflicted by another lions

(10-31-2020, 03:23 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-31-2020, 03:14 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: I'm very surprised, and concerned much as you my friend.

Today I'll try to talk a few hours with Rudi Hulshof about this fence between those areas as Thornybush,Timbavati  and the Sandringham area as well. A very curious point is  that they have traveling a very far distances judging by the location where they were seen recently. The Injuries of the Sumatra male look like to be inflicted by another lions

Maybe Mbiris takeover their territory? They where seen lately around Orpen Gate and H7 road towards Tamboti, area in which Hercules and Sumatra where..

(10-31-2020, 03:14 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(10-31-2020, 02:49 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-30-2020, 08:27 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: What a good news!
Hercules and Sumatra were seen recently
Information by Rudi Hulshof!  Not my images.
Sorry about cell phone quality, but looking for an ID on these two please. South Western areas of Timbavati, and currently on Sandringham. Looks like one has a heating wound on his back between the shoulders.
I'll share the images soon. I need download the images

Did they not close the fence going into Sandringham? That'll be disappointing if they leave it open.

I'm very surprised, and concerned much as you my friend.

Today I'll try to talk a few hours with Rudi Hulshof about this fence between those areas as Thornybush,Timbavati  and the Sandringham area as well. A very curious point is  that they have traveling a very far distances judging by the location where they were seen recently. The Injuries of the Sumatra male look like to be inflicted by another lions

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*This image is copyright of its original author

(10-31-2020, 04:53 AM)Potato Wrote: Wow, so it seems they were ousted from their territory. Recently, like 3 Tintswalo sofa safari episodes ago Mbiris were seen in northern Manyeleti. A bit ealier also in Ngala  and yet a bit ealier they were chassing other males on the road from Orpen Gate. All of that is around Skorro pride and Sumatra/Hercules coalition territorys. Moreover recently Nharhu males with River pride were seen quite a lot in land which for the last couple of months was Mbiri males and Myambula pride territory which suggest newly made vacum. All those thinks are pointing out on that Mbiri males expanded further south and as we all know they are more than capable on taking on other male lions coalitions with equal numbers.

(10-31-2020, 05:33 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-31-2020, 04:53 AM)Potato Wrote: Wow, so it seems they were ousted from their territory. Recently, like 3 Tintswalo sofa safari episodes ago Mbiris were seen in northern Manyeleti. A bit ealier also in Ngala  and yet a bit ealier they were chassing other males on the road from Orpen Gate. All of that is around Skorro pride and Sumatra/Hercules coalition territorys. Moreover recently Nharhu males with River pride were seen quite a lot in land which for the last couple of months was Mbiri males and Myambula pride territory which suggest newly made vacum. All those thinks are pointing out on that Mbiri males expanded further south and as we all know they are more than capable on taking on other male lions coalitions with equal numbers.

@Potato I am thinking along the same lines as you are, it does appear they have been driven out, at least until we hear more from the folks on the ground. I really didn't think the Mbiris, were up to the task yet, clearly that assumption looks to be incorrect. The one thing I am most puzzled by is the lack of bite marks anywhere else, besides the middle of Hercules' back. That seems an odd place for such an injury, and equally odd is the lack of apparent bite marks anywhere else, namely the back legs or front paws. I now hope to see images of the Mbiris, if they become available.

On a side note, if the Mbiris did this to these two lions, I think Birmingham Young Male was very fortunate that he got as close as he did a few days ago, and remained unseen by them. That could have been a fatal error for him, especially given the fact that they were feeding on a kill. Given all of this recent information, I wonder if it was the Mbiris who were roaring at the Ross males a few days ago as well, or could it have possibly been Hercules and Sumatra. Regardless, things are really dynamic in that region right now.

(10-31-2020, 05:41 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(10-31-2020, 05:33 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-31-2020, 04:53 AM)Potato Wrote: Wow, so it seems they were ousted from their territory. Recently, like 3 Tintswalo sofa safari episodes ago Mbiris were seen in northern Manyeleti. A bit ealier also in Ngala  and yet a bit ealier they were chassing other males on the road from Orpen Gate. All of that is around Skorro pride and Sumatra/Hercules coalition territorys. Moreover recently Nharhu males with River pride were seen quite a lot in land which for the last couple of months was Mbiri males and Myambula pride territory which suggest newly made vacum. All those thinks are pointing out on that Mbiri males expanded further south and as we all know they are more than capable on taking on other male lions coalitions with equal numbers.

@Potato I am thinking along the same lines as you are, it does appear they have been driven out, at least until we hear more from the folks on the ground. I really didn't think the Mbiris, were up to the task yet, clearly that assumption looks to be incorrect. The one thing I am most puzzled by is the lack of bite marks anywhere else, besides the middle of Hercules' back. That seems an odd place for such an injury, and equally odd is the lack of apparent bite marks anywhere else, namely the back legs or front paws. I now hope to see images of the Mbiris, if they become available.

On a side note, if the Mbiris did this to these two lions, I think Birmingham Young Male was very fortunate that he got as close as he did a few days ago, and remained unseen by them. That could have been a fatal error for him, especially given the fact that they were feeding on a kill. Given all of this recent information, I wonder if it was the Mbiris who were roaring at the Ross males a few days ago as well, or could it have possibly been Hercules and Sumatra. Regardless, things are really dynamic in that region right now.

Hey @BA0701  Here @Potato  is referring to the Mbiri males sons of the Northern Matimba males. Who are much bigger and height than the young Mbiri from Manyeleti. To be honest. The injury of Hercules I was starting with the fact that has been caused by a fight with a lion. Nonetheless I've see since close  as you have told me before. There's not are bite marks as well not on his body parts just this injury on his shoulders... 

You here have said a good possibilities. Hercules and Sumatra were deeper into Ngala more than one time for years now as the Skorro pride too. So nothing is surprising at this stage. The lion dynamics are being crazy everytime that we heard something about them!