(05-03-2017, 11:54 AM)$uSpiciou$ Wrote:

(05-03-2017, 10:43 AM)Garfield Wrote:

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Yeah that's pretty remarkable, I seen this guy posting some mad stuff on accounts like these, that art is for sure probably based on an actual sighting by the Indian natives, becaz in almost all the accounts Ive seen the bears almost always win.  I think its just the way the tiger is wired, its not set up for the long drawn out struggle with an equally strong adversary.  I saw one account of one bear killing 3 tigers.

Its a shame how people underestimate the stamina of a tiger. I totally agree that a fight between a Adult Bear vs Adult Tiger would eventually depend on the individuals fighting. But I personally have known of several cases where tigers fight without a break. I respect and know a bears strength . 

But I have never liked two assumptions that people make:
1. Tiger don't fight that often : The truth is actually they do. Just that these fights are not documented much. Infact tigers fight all alone without any help and fight most of the times. If only we could have more videos then people can stop making this assumptions.

2. Tigers tire out very easily : I again agree they don't have too much stamina going for a straight fight but its way more than people think. They can stay their grounds for a greater period than people think.

I put all these points because people take assumptions and make facts over them. Well 'Male Tigers don't take part in raising of cubs' was also an assumption but its proving to be wrong. I am not biased towards tigers. But simply thinking they are not 'right to the death' types of fighters like lions is wrong. Yes they avoid confrontations but when they fight they do kill one another. 

3. Mentallity and Experience Matters: When two predators fight more than the size I believe mentallity matters. For ex: A tiger or bear or lion who once kills another predator in a fight has the upmost confidence that he/she can do it again. 
Umarpani- Killed KF , Then killed Bhima, Then fought with chota munna and going strong
Raja- Killed 3 or maybe more prime males
Munna- Again killed quite a few prime males.
Majingilane lions- Same here.they defeated quite a few guys
Ravan, Charger- Killed Sloth Bears
Rhino Killer Dudhwa- Apparently this guy has killed 3 rhinos.caught on film supposedly.

My point here is the individual matters more than we think in any fight that is between two supreme predator. Bear, Lion and Tiger all three are supreme predators. Any fight will very likely depend on who is fighting. And if one individual gets a habit of killing one type then they more often than not win their next fights too with those predators.

I maybe wrong with all my points but this is what I feel about the whole topic here.

(05-04-2017, 04:34 AM)Garfield Wrote: Yeah, heh well tigers big enough no doubt they gut that market cornered.  But da bears gut mad props for durability and stamina bigleague.  I mean I would of thought like say the Siberian tiger would of mauled some bear behind, but from what Ive seen and don't quote me on it, but there is some mother load of accounts on these fights, and tha Bears whip the tiger behinds, I mean like dozens of accounts.  So yeh individuality is always a factor, but when you have a bunch load of accounts, and all the tigers lose, that's straight up factual right then and there at that point. Especially when the tigers are prime males and killers some of them.  Then you have one bear, waste 3 tigers, and so on.  Plus the bear should be bigger usually too. I mean the tiger can win too, but its not on the average beating the bear.  All the species aren't equal for sure, they can defend an stuff, but like say a rhino or a bull, those things are going to slaughter the bigcats in fights, on the average, elephant and so on right?


But about the bears and tigers, I was talking to this bear guy on youtube, and he was from another country, I think it was Russia some where around Europe, and he was tellin everyone they have it all backwards, tigers just don't take out grown bears, here's what he posted to me. I thought it was funny becaz all the tiger bros were getting all mad and I'm like give the bear some props guys, I mean their built tough different than cats, stuff is legit.  Here's the guys post below, its gut biologist and stuff in it..............

"The male Amur tiger will predate Asiatic black bears and sub adult and female brown bears. According to telemetry data on tigers from 1992-2003, half the attacks on brown bears occur during hibernation but no males were killed despite their vulnerable state of hibernation.. According to former Russian biologist S.P. Kucherenko & early Naturalist N.A. Baikov tigers will only attack bears of similar or smaller size which translates to female and sub adult bears, not the larger male brown bear. There has been no record of male brown bears killed by tigers but there are records of male Amur tigers killed by brown bears & some of them were cannibalized. According to Russian biologists I.V. Seryodkin, N.A. Raikov, & Park Manager G.F. Gorokhov, adult Usurri female brown bear are not easy prey for dominant male Amur tigers either - some of the larger female brown bears have inflicted severe injury to the victorious but bloodied tiger. Adult male Far Eastern brown bears often use and also usurp Amur tiger carrion which sometimes include multiple tigers in the form a mother tiger and her 2-3 year old large adult size offspring. SO THE ANSWER IS, tigers may kill adult males bears while hibernating or via ambush, but on face-to-face encounters, a male brown bear (specially the large far eastern brown bear) COULD KILL even the largest siberian tiger..."

(05-04-2017, 05:47 AM)Rishi Wrote:

(05-04-2017, 04:34 AM)Garfield Wrote: Yeah, heh well tigers big enough no doubt they gut that market cornered.  But da bears gut mad props for durability and stamina bigleague.  I mean I would of thought like say the Siberian tiger would of mauled some bear behind, but from what Ive seen and don't quote me on it, but there is some mother load of accounts on these fights, and tha Bears whip the tiger behinds, I mean like dozens of accounts.  So yeh individuality is always a factor, but when you have a bunch load of accounts, and all the tigers lose, that's straight up factual right then and there at that point. Especially when the tigers are prime males and killers some of them.  Then you have one bear, waste 3 tigers, and so on.  Plus the bear should be bigger usually too. I mean the tiger can win too, but its not on the average beating the bear.  All the species aren't equal for sure, they can defend an stuff, but like say a rhino or a bull, those things are going to slaughter the bigcats in fights, on the average, elephant and so on right?


But about the bears and tigers, I was talking to this bear guy on youtube, and he was from another country, I think it was Russia some where around Europe, and he was tellin everyone they have it all backwards, tigers just don't take out grown bears, here's what he posted to me. I thought it was funny becaz all the tiger bros were getting all mad and I'm like give the bear some props guys, I mean their built tough different than cats, stuff is legit.  Here's the guys post below, its gut biologist and stuff in it..............

"The male Amur tiger will predate Asiatic black bears and sub adult and female brown bears. According to telemetry data on tigers from 1992-2003, half the attacks on brown bears occur during hibernation but no males were killed despite their vulnerable state of hibernation.. According to former Russian biologist S.P. Kucherenko & early Naturalist N.A. Baikov tigers will only attack bears of similar or smaller size which translates to female and sub adult bears, not the larger male brown bear. There has been no record of male brown bears killed by tigers but there are records of male Amur tigers killed by brown bears & some of them were cannibalized. According to Russian biologists I.V. Seryodkin, N.A. Raikov, & Park Manager G.F. Gorokhov, adult Usurri female brown bear are not easy prey for dominant male Amur tigers either - some of the larger female brown bears have inflicted severe injury to the victorious but bloodied tiger. Adult male Far Eastern brown bears often use and also usurp Amur tiger carrion which sometimes include multiple tigers in the form a mother tiger and her 2-3 year old large adult size offspring. SO THE ANSWER IS, tigers may kill adult males bears while hibernating or via ambush, but on face-to-face encounters, a male brown bear (specially the large far eastern brown bear) COULD KILL even the largest siberian tiger..."

Ok, i can see where this is going, so let's get it over with...(Also d MODs r likely gonna delete the post 'cause i reported it for being out of topic, plz don't mind)

What the "bear-guy" said is pretty accurate.. given the Eastern-brown's size, the cat might end up on the wrong side in a sh!t-hit-the-fan brawl, with a PRIME MALE.
& Mothers with cubs would never even take it that far.

But the post #47shows what normal interactions look like (i used cougars as i couldn't find tigers').


For the rest see #106 #107 ( http://wildfact.com/forum/topic-animal-trainers?page=8 ) for what kind of tiger (& lion) specimens they had (don't know why so)..& by some miracle managed to keep most alive.

(05-04-2017, 08:08 AM)Garfield Wrote: Yeah great vids, I forgot about that also, boars are tough too, that was a great Russian boar fight with that Siberian, a big boar like that will be more than a match for a lot of tigers.  That last CGI video you had was cool too, may have been fake, but that's what I think would probably happen, the tiger would be crouching like a cat is going to pounce on a bird, and than bam it runs into the big bear, and the bear throws it off.  I can totally see that.

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(05-10-2017, 02:06 PM)Rishi Wrote: Anyway, Himalayan BlackBears are THE most aggressive & dangerous animal of the Subcontinent...Probably the largest of black bears along with the Ussuri.
Jim Corbett documents a case of one driving off a resident male tiger in his memoirs "The temple tiger". 
It reads something like this: 

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(05-10-2017, 04:28 PM)brotherbear Wrote: The fight was over a carcass, the fresh kill of the tiger. In the end, before the animals were shot, the bear was chasing away the tiger. In this particular scenario, it would have been the bear who won the prize - the carcass. I really hate it that so few "modern hunters" have any real sense of honor concerning the animals. I read a story once about a pioneer hunter and an American Indian who had witnessed a long-lasting and bloody battle between a grizzly and a bull bison. In that particular scenario, the bison was the victor. As the pioneer hunter was about to aim and shoot the big bull bison, the Indian placed a hand on his shoulder and pleaded that the bull had won the right to live. It's about respect. Jim Corbett was wrong in killing these two savage warriors.

(05-10-2017, 10:18 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Post #46. Some of these videos, especially the 6th from the top and the last video in poor taste and very misleading.