(09-02-2020, 01:34 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Update on Giraffe male and Black Dam Pride :

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEnOTpsgdqi/?igshid=1l2uqt468e4gh

So Giraffe male and few females moved into private noncomercial property called Sandrigham, thats why theres little sighting of them at Thornybush..

Quote:Our speculation is that atleast 2, possibly 3 of the females gave birth over the past 4 or so months, and it was Giraffe Males inability to chase his 6 sons away that caused the females to seek out an area where their cubs would be safe from the 6 young males. They thus moved and found den sites in Sandringham, and Giraffe male followed them, as he should, to provide a safe environment for the females to have their cubs.

(09-02-2020, 01:34 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Update on Giraffe male and Black Dam Pride :

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEnOTpsgdqi/?igshid=1l2uqt468e4gh

So Giraffe male and few females moved into private noncomercial property called Sandrigham, thats why theres little sighting of them at Thornybush..

(09-02-2020, 10:36 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Does anyone know how these "private non-commercial properties" work? I ask as I am trying to figure out if these properties allow hunting, if it is even lawful, wondering if these lions are now in danger of becoming trophies, ala Cecil. I honestly am not sure how all of that works over there, but clearly hunting is permitted in some areas, I am trying to figure out how to differentiate amongst them, if that is even possible.

(09-02-2020, 10:39 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:36 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Does anyone know how these "private non-commercial properties" work? I ask as I am trying to figure out if these properties allow hunting, if it is even lawful, wondering if these lions are now in danger of becoming trophies, ala Cecil. I honestly am not sure how all of that works over there, but clearly hunting is permitted in some areas, I am trying to figure out how to differentiate amongst them, if that is even possible.

As it says in the report, poaching are more common there, as prob any human can get into it without much of a problem.. Its not "officialy" allowed..

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

(09-02-2020, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/state-opposes-bail-for-hunter-game-farm-manager-after-stash-or-tusks-and-horns-discovered-20170824

So, in that "reserve" was definitely some "fishy" buisness thru the years.. As we can see on this article..

Its owned by some Italian multimillionaire, and theres definitely a ton of "illegal" poaching going on there.. 

Hope we dont see Giraffe male on some asshole's wall soon..

(09-03-2020, 04:04 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: The Black dam male in all his glory
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(09-02-2020, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/state-opposes-bail-for-hunter-game-farm-manager-after-stash-or-tusks-and-horns-discovered-20170824

So, in that "reserve" was definitely some "fishy" buisness thru the years.. As we can see on this article..

Its owned by some Italian multimillionaire, and theres definitely a ton of "illegal" poaching going on there.. 

Hope we dont see Giraffe male on some asshole's wall soon..

(09-03-2020, 04:30 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/state-opposes-bail-for-hunter-game-farm-manager-after-stash-or-tusks-and-horns-discovered-20170824

So, in that "reserve" was definitely some "fishy" buisness thru the years.. As we can see on this article..

Its owned by some Italian multimillionaire, and theres definitely a ton of "illegal" poaching going on there.. 

Hope we dont see Giraffe male on some asshole's wall soon..

You know, after thinking about what I read in that article, it brings up a lot of questions. So, is the "game fence" between Timbivati and this Sandringham enough to typically keep animals from crossing between the properties? There is a lot of poaching taking place there, so I would imagine it is, and if so, how did they get through? Is there a break in the fence? This is very troubling indeed for the Giraffe Male and Black Dam Pride, these guys are flat out poachers.

(09-03-2020, 04:30 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/state-opposes-bail-for-hunter-game-farm-manager-after-stash-or-tusks-and-horns-discovered-20170824

So, in that "reserve" was definitely some "fishy" buisness thru the years.. As we can see on this article..

Its owned by some Italian multimillionaire, and theres definitely a ton of "illegal" poaching going on there.. 

Hope we dont see Giraffe male on some asshole's wall soon..

You know, after thinking about what I read in that article, it brings up a lot of questions. So, is the "game fence" between Timbivati and this Sandringham enough to typically keep animals from crossing between the properties? There is a lot of poaching taking place there, so I would imagine it is, and if so, how did they get through? Is there a break in the fence? This is very troubling indeed for the Giraffe Male and Black Dam Pride, these guys are flat out poachers.

(09-03-2020, 04:56 AM)Selati Wrote:

(09-03-2020, 04:30 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/state-opposes-bail-for-hunter-game-farm-manager-after-stash-or-tusks-and-horns-discovered-20170824

So, in that "reserve" was definitely some "fishy" buisness thru the years.. As we can see on this article..

Its owned by some Italian multimillionaire, and theres definitely a ton of "illegal" poaching going on there.. 

Hope we dont see Giraffe male on some asshole's wall soon..

You know, after thinking about what I read in that article, it brings up a lot of questions. So, is the "game fence" between Timbivati and this Sandringham enough to typically keep animals from crossing between the properties? There is a lot of poaching taking place there, so I would imagine it is, and if so, how did they get through? Is there a break in the fence? This is very troubling indeed for the Giraffe Male and Black Dam Pride, these guys are flat out poachers.

Fences often aren't well maintained, so its very likely that they were able to slip through.

(09-03-2020, 04:48 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(09-03-2020, 04:30 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/state-opposes-bail-for-hunter-game-farm-manager-after-stash-or-tusks-and-horns-discovered-20170824

So, in that "reserve" was definitely some "fishy" buisness thru the years.. As we can see on this article..

Its owned by some Italian multimillionaire, and theres definitely a ton of "illegal" poaching going on there.. 

Hope we dont see Giraffe male on some asshole's wall soon..

You know, after thinking about what I read in that article, it brings up a lot of questions. So, is the "game fence" between Timbivati and this Sandringham enough to typically keep animals from crossing between the properties? There is a lot of poaching taking place there, so I would imagine it is, and if so, how did they get through? Is there a break in the fence? This is very troubling indeed for the Giraffe Male and Black Dam Pride, these guys are flat out poachers.

The fence is between Thornybush and the Sandringham property.
Perhaps the fence at somewhere is break, the same has happened with the Timbavati male who did partnered up with the Black dam male in 2015, he went into Thornybush from Timbavati when the fence still was separated each-reserve.
Anyway, the hunting does not happen anymore in the area.
Perhaps and hopefully there the Giraffe male is on a safe zone

(09-03-2020, 06:19 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(09-03-2020, 04:56 AM)Selati Wrote:

(09-03-2020, 04:30 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2020, 10:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ok, yes, the officially is what I was wondering, such as private reserves that exist to allow hunting. I guess the "There's never a 100% safe zone in Africa" comment says all we need to know. Thank you @Tr1x24

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/state-opposes-bail-for-hunter-game-farm-manager-after-stash-or-tusks-and-horns-discovered-20170824

So, in that "reserve" was definitely some "fishy" buisness thru the years.. As we can see on this article..

Its owned by some Italian multimillionaire, and theres definitely a ton of "illegal" poaching going on there.. 

Hope we dont see Giraffe male on some asshole's wall soon..

You know, after thinking about what I read in that article, it brings up a lot of questions. So, is the "game fence" between Timbivati and this Sandringham enough to typically keep animals from crossing between the properties? There is a lot of poaching taking place there, so I would imagine it is, and if so, how did they get through? Is there a break in the fence? This is very troubling indeed for the Giraffe Male and Black Dam Pride, these guys are flat out poachers.

Fences often aren't well maintained, so its very likely that they were able to slip through.

I believe so, however Darrel Camden-Smith which works in Thornybush, every day he's doing patrol walking to keep the poachers away.
a very great point at least