(08-25-2020, 02:57 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Here is the update of the Black dam male
https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/

(08-25-2020, 03:03 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-25-2020, 02:57 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Here is the update of the Black dam male
https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/

So sad, not even 11 years old, had so many years ahead. But, being a lone male, those years could have been really tough, especially given recent activities in the area, we will never know now. Does he have any cubs that are now in danger as a result of this awful news? Thank you for this update @"TinoArmando"

(08-25-2020, 03:12 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(08-25-2020, 03:03 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-25-2020, 02:57 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Here is the update of the Black dam male
https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/

So sad, not even 11 years old, had so many years ahead. But, being a lone male, those years could have been really tough, especially given recent activities in the area, we will never know now. Does he have any cubs that are now in danger as a result of this awful news? Thank you for this update @"TinoArmando"

The BDM has  sub-adults sons on the Giraffe pride, those sub-adults have approx 2 to 3 years old

and sons of the Monwana pride, who rule the Giraffe breakaway pride.

(08-25-2020, 03:14 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-25-2020, 03:12 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(08-25-2020, 03:03 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-25-2020, 02:57 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Here is the update of the Black dam male
https://www.facebook.com/LionsofTimbavati/

So sad, not even 11 years old, had so many years ahead. But, being a lone male, those years could have been really tough, especially given recent activities in the area, we will never know now. Does he have any cubs that are now in danger as a result of this awful news? Thank you for this update @"TinoArmando"

The BDM has  sub-adults sons on the Giraffe pride, those sub-adults have approx 2 to 3 years old

and sons of the Monwana pride, who rule the Giraffe breakaway pride.

Ok, good, thank you for the reply. At least those are old enough to care for themselves if need be. I was concerned about little ones, who might be in danger when new males come in to claim the pride. Thank you again my friend!

(08-25-2020, 09:19 PM)Potato Wrote: Sad news althrought to be honest he probably wouldn't least more than a couple of months anyway as great most of male lions of his age after being oustedfrom position of dominant male of the pride do. Sad are those last couple of days as we got Black Dam male dies and one of the Shishangaan males as well as Orpen male Buddy were seen in very poor condition and soon should leave this world as well.

(08-26-2020, 10:44 AM)Potato Wrote: "Why you think he wouldn't last alone more then couple of months? Thats nonsense.. 

He was still in top condition, excellent hunter, taking down buffaloes on his own etc.."

This is not about in how good condition he was, but how fast condition deteriorate. Lets take last Northen Matimba for example. When he has been ousted from Skorro pride and came into Timbavati roaring even young Mbiris which were chassing dominant males all around by that time were said to became less vocal. Moreover he soon made coalition with Rockfig male. Begining of a new start as a dominant male again? No, couple of months after he passed away. Lets take Majingilanes for another example. By the middle of 2017 still coalition of three males in what seemd to be perfect condition and still seemd to be most dominant force around just a bit back in early 2017 they were seen to be chassing around strong, fit, healty, prime and numericaly superior Birmingham males. Few months after none of them was anymore. True is that most of successfull lions (those who manage to become dominant) doesn't live beyond 10 years old and very few makes it past 12. 

"Just look at Scorro, he survived (maybe still alive) around 2 yrs on his own at that age.."

There are indeed very few males, exelent hunters like Mapogos or Skorro Thanda Impi for example who even in advanced age, not being phisically capable anymore and with depleted coalition numbers could take care for themselfs very well. That is however only very few male and the question is if Black Dam male is among them. Maybe, but to be honest much greater chance is that he isn't. Those very few males in general are lions which were hunting their whole life, how did not relly that much on the controlled prides to provide food. BDM however rather opposite - lion who was always with some pride, never even for a brief time was on his own, never was nomadic before. 

"Even now at 10 yrs of age i would take this guy over pretty much every "prime" male in Timbavati/Manyeleti/Sabi Sands except maybe Red Road male.."

In Timbavati currently there are so much tanks by now at physical prime that I see as very questionable that 10 years old male would own them all. If I myself would be to be for most dominant male in 1vs1 in those arenas combined then I would go with Shaka Mbiri. He is a true brute and warlord and in prime.

(08-26-2020, 02:38 PM)Potato Wrote: What examples are those? Could you provide at least one, single raport of such think. Also any wild lion makes kill at least from time to time so even if he indeed hunted from time to time on his own, still it doesn't place him above none and isn't even close enought for a term of great hunter.

(08-26-2020, 02:38 PM)Potato Wrote: He wasn't alone beside his vander to Orpen Gate. All other sightings of him were with some portion of Giraffe pride in company.