(12-01-2024, 08:54 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-01-2024, 02:33 PM)sunless Wrote: Video from Londolozi where we can clearly see and know what clearly happened between the chase of Ndzhengas and PCM, also Tsalala lioness feeding on a kudu.

From what I can conclude in the video is that it's like they are just reestablishing the territory lines like the last time they chased back and forth in Londolozi as half of Londolozi is the territory of Ndzhengas while the other half is the PCM.

PCMs, appear to be in need of a meal, or two.

(12-01-2024, 08:20 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-01-2024, 03:30 PM)Bruh what Wrote: Hi,so how are the dynamics looking like. Ik they're in competition but how's the Ndhzenga vs Pcm looking like? 

Also @Mapokser you're based brother I saw your take on BDM being huge when all other people from that section where acting like he's some normal sized lion. I actually got pictures of his skull (from Ziggi hugo) and it's like 28inches in total score wich is comparable to the biggest brown bears ?

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(12-01-2024, 08:30 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I'm just a little bit worried that the Ndhzengas got split and almost caught, I wouldn't expect it to happen, it's very dangerous when it happens, ideally if they were going go retreat, they'd have to do it side by side like PCM were doing, so they'd always have the option to help each other out.

(12-01-2024, 07:59 PM)Vengeous Wrote: I think the really interesting thing is that if you watch the Londolozi video, the guide (Sean) mentioned that the PCMs seemed to almost confer with each other before they mounted their counter-offensive. They heard a grunt from the Ndzhengas and then had a quick "chat" or something like that. I think there's a lot more subtext to lion dynamics in a back-and-forth chase than we realise.

(12-02-2024, 01:36 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2024, 07:59 PM)Vengeous Wrote: I think the really interesting thing is that if you watch the Londolozi video, the guide (Sean) mentioned that the PCMs seemed to almost confer with each other before they mounted their counter-offensive. They heard a grunt from the Ndzhengas and then had a quick "chat" or something like that. I think there's a lot more subtext to lion dynamics in a back-and-forth chase than we realise.

Yea, that turn is very interesting.

Wonder what PCMs heard that they knew this is the time we turn.

Did they stopped hearing roars/grunts from OE? And when they turned around they only saw Amahle close?

Or maybe they heard "different" grunt from Ndhzengas, we still know very little about grunts/roars/contact calls and what they mean in different scenarios.

Maybe Amahle or OE contact called, which would be straight signal to PCMs that they are split.

Fascinating stuff which we dont understand.

(12-02-2024, 01:23 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2024, 08:30 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I'm just a little bit worried that the Ndhzengas got split and almost caught, I wouldn't expect it to happen, it's very dangerous when it happens, ideally if they were going go retreat, they'd have to do it side by side like PCM were doing, so they'd always have the option to help each other out.

Thats questionable aswell.

Spliting when you are being chased also has its advantages.

1. Helping other members -  EO was obviously lagging behind Amahle, he had pawn injury week or so ago (so thats prob a reason), with Amahle spliting and attracting both males, he maybe saved EO getting caught by faster males.

2. Splitting/confusing opponents to gain advantage in losing scenario -  with spliting, you want confuse and preferably split pursuing males, then if you can reunite with your bro soner, you can potentially have 2vs1 and caught 1 of the males alone

I remember when 2 Bboys chased young Ndhzengas, Amahle split in similar fashion, what he succeeded is to split Tinyo and Nhenha, Nhenha pursuit him and that was 1vs1, while Tinyo went after 3 Ndhzengas, thats 1 vs 3.

So what that Amahle split did, he basically "neutralized" any potential that Bboys caught one of them in a 2vs1, unless he gets caught and bested in 1vs1, and i dont think its coinciedence that he as strongest member was the one to split.

Also he pretty much set his brothers a 3vs1 scenario, but they didnt capitalized.

As @KM600 said, duo who are charging in together is hard to deal with, even when you have more numbers, so you kinda want them to split.

So, as we might saw PCMs using tactic of luring males in overextending, then turning on overextending male, we also might saw Ndhzengas using tactic to split and confuse charging duo with spliting themselves, as they prob know they are not favorites to win in a straight 2vs2 brawl.

(12-02-2024, 01:36 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Did they stopped hearing roars/grunts from OE?

(12-02-2024, 05:46 AM)KM600 Wrote: Khanya - second slide
NK - third slide

(12-02-2024, 08:32 AM)Vengeous Wrote:

(12-02-2024, 05:46 AM)KM600 Wrote: Khanya - second slide
NK - third slide

NK looking seriously built, and looks to have recovered some mane as well. The years haven't been kind to him but this looks like a physical peak, wich is crazy given we've always known he's a pretty large-sized lion.