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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - Shadow - 01-01-2019
(01-01-2019, 05:36 AM)epaiva Wrote:Same to you too!(12-27-2018, 01:35 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:Happy New Year to you @GrizzlyClaws and to you @Shadow hope 2019 will be a very good one for both(12-27-2018, 01:30 AM)Shadow Wrote:(12-27-2018, 01:21 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: The big bear claws compared to big tiger claws.
The bear claw is obviously longer, and the tiger claw looks broader with more part being embedded into the bone sheath, hence it was accustomed to be retractable.
BTW, I've only seen the North American Grizzly bears with claws frequently exceeding 10 cm, sometimes up to 11-12 cm, whereas the Russian Brown bears' claws rarely exceeded 10 cm.
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What comes to bear claws. I think, that longest claws are from Alaskan coastal area(?). There are the biggest bears after all and only comparable bears what comes to size can be found from Kamchatka peninsula, Russia. Other Russian brown bears are more or less comparable with for instance Yellowstone brown bears and other inland populations, like our brown bears in Finland.
Alaskan Brown bear ~ 12 cm
Russian Brown bear ~ 10 cm
Amur tiger ~ 8.5 cm
Bengal tiger ~ 7.2 cm
African lion ~ 6.9 cm
These are the largest instances encountered from my personal experience, maybe there could have been even more outliers, but these are some rare cases for their respective species.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - epaiva - 01-04-2019
Liger upper fang
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - epaiva - 01-10-2019
Tigon skull and fangs, skull measures 13 inches long and 9 inches wide, they did not specify measurements of the fangs.
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-10-2019
The liger upper canine tooth looks around 65 mm from the gum line based on the total length of 129 mm.
The tigon skull from the post #1548 looks quite odd but interesting, the canine teeth look very jaguar-like.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-10-2019
@Smilodon-Rex
Here is a good example of analogy in case if you are interested, where we got a liger skull that measured 410 mm x 308 mm, with an extracted upper canine tooth of 129 mm.
You can also take a look about how the canine teeth were embedded into the skull.
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - johnny rex - 01-10-2019
Are canines the size indicator of how big a panthera's skull is?
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-11-2019
(01-10-2019, 09:55 PM)johnny rex Wrote: Are canines the size indicator of how big a panthera's skull is?
More or less, I think the large canine teeth are still mostly positively correlated with the large skulls.
It is hard to imagine how a large canine tooth can be embedded into a smallish skull.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - Smilodon-Rex - 01-11-2019
(01-10-2019, 08:46 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: @Smilodon-Rex410 mm X 308 mm means volume of this skull ? the upper canine looks so thick when compare with human's hand
Here is a good example of analogy in case if you are interested, where we got a liger skull that measured 410 mm x 308 mm, with an extracted upper canine tooth of 129 mm.
You can also take a look about how the canine teeth were embedded into the skull.
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 07:55 PM)Smilodon-Rex Wrote:(01-10-2019, 08:46 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: @Smilodon-Rex410 mm X 308 mm means volume of this skull ? the upper canine looks so thick when compare with human's hand
Here is a good example of analogy in case if you are interested, where we got a liger skull that measured 410 mm x 308 mm, with an extracted upper canine tooth of 129 mm.
You can also take a look about how the canine teeth were embedded into the skull.
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It stands for length x width.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - Smilodon-Rex - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 08:11 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:Well, if 304 mm is a real width of this skull, I believe that prehistoric manless lion would more wider than this number(01-11-2019, 07:55 PM)Smilodon-Rex Wrote:(01-10-2019, 08:46 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: @Smilodon-Rex410 mm X 308 mm means volume of this skull ? the upper canine looks so thick when compare with human's hand
Here is a good example of analogy in case if you are interested, where we got a liger skull that measured 410 mm x 308 mm, with an extracted upper canine tooth of 129 mm.
You can also take a look about how the canine teeth were embedded into the skull.
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It stands for length x width.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-11-2019
@Smilodon-Rex
Replica wise, here is a comparison between a 17.5 inches liger skull replica and a 19 inches Panthera Atrox one.
The upper canine teeth from that liger model is about 5.5 inches, and Panthera atrox model got the similar canine teeth, just being more robust.
1 inch = 2.54 cm
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - Betty - 01-13-2019
(12-24-2018, 10:21 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Amur tiger
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Lower teeth, this length is rare...
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-13-2019
(01-13-2019, 09:57 PM)Betty Wrote:(12-24-2018, 10:21 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Amur tiger
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Lower teeth, this length is rare...
Then the upper canine teeth were probably up to 155 mm in length, and 40 mm in diameter.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - tigeramulet - 01-17-2019
Its really fascinating to see all the fossils! Thank you all for sharing.
Just wondering, if I ever want to learn about fossils where do I start?
I don't even get to touch a tooth or a skull.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-18-2019
(01-17-2019, 02:37 PM)tigeramulet Wrote: Its really fascinating to see all the fossils! Thank you all for sharing.
Just wondering, if I ever want to learn about fossils where do I start?
I don't even get to touch a tooth or a skull.
First find a local zoo in your area, then ask them zookeepers if they have any skull or canine teeth preserved from the deceased animals.