(05-29-2024, 10:14 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(05-29-2024, 09:35 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Another angle of the "show me your love boy..."

Now I think about it, of thr two it's the Talamati male that's mated most recently, and in this area too. So maybe he's feeling more territorial than the BD male, who is fully nomadic at this point. I hope he doesn't get overconfident, especially with the PC males hanging around.

(05-29-2024, 11:05 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(05-29-2024, 10:14 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(05-29-2024, 09:35 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Another angle of the "show me your love boy..."

Now I think about it, of thr two it's the Talamati male that's mated most recently, and in this area too. So maybe he's feeling more territorial than the BD male, who is fully nomadic at this point. I hope he doesn't get overconfident, especially with the PC males hanging around.

He’s spent half of his life running from males so I think he’s smart enough to avoid them. He was roaring with the Nkuhumas and the next day Kambula males showed up on the scene but he had already moved off after most likely hearing their response. Goes to show he’s aware of his surroundings and knows what risks he can take. I can only see him getting caught by the PCMs if they ambush him outta nowhere like they did Skorro Tumbela.

(05-30-2024, 12:32 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Why do these large coalitions split some don’t but some do each group split in a different way and for a different reason but why do most… like the matimbas why did they split was it because nduna (their leader) went missing was he keeping them together?

(05-30-2024, 01:46 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: And when you have a lot of males in it, competition is fierce, strongest males get more "goods", while weakest are left with scraps.

(05-30-2024, 01:46 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Then weaker ones "figure" out that they might have a lot more opportunities if they just leave or split. Or stronger ones to have even more, without their brothers bothering them.

(05-30-2024, 10:29 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(05-30-2024, 01:46 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: And when you have a lot of males in it, competition is fierce, strongest males get more "goods", while weakest are left with scraps.

Well that usually happens when they are sick or in a weakened state. Even the lowest ranked members aren't shy when there's food on the table if they are healthy ofcourse, and these dominance heirarchies aren't that rigid either so that some members will always get the shorter end of the stick. Add injuries and current condition to that and there are even more variables at play, I get your general point but it's a little oversimplifying it. 

(05-30-2024, 01:46 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Then weaker ones "figure" out that they might have a lot more opportunities if they just leave or split. Or stronger ones to have even more, without their brothers bothering them.

That would be true if it were always the weaker ones that choose to leave everytime and I don't think that's true at all. The weaker ones are usually too submissive to make a move like that, usually It's one of the more dominant males with usually good leadership qualities that choose to split and a couple others who were littermates or closer in age tag along. Mr. T and KT are the perfect example of this, and so were the Southern Matimbas. Mr. T and Hairybelly were born leaders while KT and Ginger were the ultimate right hands for them, KT was a littermate while Ginger and Hairybelly were always close. The Southern BDMs are definitely an interesting case, I think this is more of a Kambulas and maybe also the Northern and Southern Avocas situation. The 6 BDMs, Avocas,  and the 6 Kambulas were never territorial as a 6 member coalition, they never had to deal with the complexities of fighting for resources within a territorial coalition that might lead to a split. I think the southern BDMs, Northern Avocas, and the Northern Kambulas were younger than the rest and also late bloomers(especially in the case of the southern BDMs and the Northern Kambulas). I think they were never truly bonded as a coalition and that's why the splits happened even before they were anywhere near being territorial.

(05-30-2024, 02:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Original video of Talamati vs BDM:

Will be interesting to see what happens with Talamati in the north.

NK subs are still avoiding PCMs, so that plays in his hand as he can hang with them.

I guess his future here will be determined if PCMs will completly overtake NKs and the north, or just part of it.

In theory he could become territorial male in the north if PCMs dont fully commit and if Kambulas move and stay in Manyeleti, altough not sure how long would that last being surrounded by bigger coalition.

Such a shame he lost his brother, who was even more impressive and confident (although i somehow suspect that was his downfall in the south), on paper they would become formidable duo if work as unit.

(05-30-2024, 07:29 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(05-30-2024, 02:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Original video of Talamati vs BDM:

Will be interesting to see what happens with Talamati in the north.

NK subs are still avoiding PCMs, so that plays in his hand as he can hang with them.

I guess his future here will be determined if PCMs will completly overtake NKs and the north, or just part of it.

In theory he could become territorial male in the north if PCMs dont fully commit and if Kambulas move and stay in Manyeleti, altough not sure how long would that last being surrounded by bigger coalition.

Such a shame he lost his brother, who was even more impressive and confident (although i somehow suspect that was his downfall in the south), on paper they would become formidable duo if work as unit.

The commentary with this video, the comments of the OP, state that after this interaction, Khanya then went to be with the pride. This makes things even more confusing, for me anyhow. So, was he with the pride when the BDM approached, was he defending what he now see as his pride, was the BDM returning to what he believes is his pride, if so, doe he now see Khanya as being dominant over the Nkuhumas as well? So many questions on what happened here.