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  (12-06-2016, 10:30 PM)Majingilane Wrote: Bheema better toughen up, because lately tigers don't have time for buttercups. Uma isn't messing around right now, between him and Link 7, Munna's bloodline is winning out in Mukki. 
After the death of Kingfisher, Bheema was seen with injuries and limping.
So its clear that Bheema got into a fight with KF or Chota Munna or Uma. Hence he is not fully fit. This recent fight with Uma seems very fatal especially those injuries in his fore limbs. Right now Bheema needs time to recover and become fit before going for another round. Remember Bheema is a bigger male than Uma and Chotta Munna. (12-06-2016, 11:14 PM)Apollo Wrote: After the death of Kingfisher, Bheema was seen with injuries and limping. It's pretty well suggested that Uma was responsible for KF death and the injuries shown on Bheema are from Jan, they aren't from the recent fight with Uma.
I thought they were recent pics, but thanks for reminding me that they were from Jan.
Regarding KF death, no one saw who the killer is. So what we are left with is suggestions and speculation on who the killer may be. But its a fact that Bheema was seen injured and limping during that time, check my post 835 in tiger directory. So thats why i said Bheema should have got into a fight with KF or link7 or Uma during the time of KF's death. Now regarding the recent fight with Uma, Bheema was not fit and well when getting into this fight because of the previous injuries. Hence I was saying Bheema needs more time to recover before getting into any quarrels. Hope you understand. (12-07-2016, 01:14 AM)Apollo Wrote: I thought they were recent pics, but thanks for reminding me that they were from Jan. Bheema wasn't seen to have sustained any damage in that time frame, there is a rumor that CM was seen with bruising and scratch marks though Minh Ha Shaurya, "CM was seen with bruises and scratchmarks recently. He was found close to where KF was found dead as well. There is now a very high possibility Chota Munna killed KF." Like · Reply · October 31 at 1:56pm But others don't believe CM was large and mature enough to do it Shaurya Reshamwala "It could only be Uma Male , I don't think Cm is still big enough for Kingfisher also tigresses are also known to kill male tigers there are records of it" Minh Ha "No, while tigresses like Uma are known to defeat males in protection of cubs, killing of a large male is highly unlikely and KF would have run for his life if he sensed the loss. Also, I agree with Shaurya, in that 2 males who never fought before are very unlikely to fight to death. Going by this behaviour, the only guy who has a long history with KF and knows him the best is Uma male. Plus it was done in Uma male's core territory, that Uma kills him is a 99% possibility." But apparently the death of KF happened in Uma's core area so it could be a bit of a mystery between the two. But for now, I have seen most agree that it was Uma who was the culprit. Here you can see a video Bheema looking healthy less than a month before the deadly attack suffered by Uma and this was only a couple of weeks after the death of Kingfisher. Pench Imran SaveWildlife Kanha tiger reserve Bheema 26/10/2016 with Rituraj Jaiswal https://youtu.be/oe6iOCgNBB4 https://youtu.be/1kknnM93t9o So it looks like Bheema was in fine shape before the incident. On a side note, in regards to size, it is said that Umarpani is the largest tiger in mukki/kahna, not Bheema apparently. http://naturesafariindia.com/blog/bigges...ral-india/ This guy has 28 years experience with these cats so his word is pretty well respected.
@Pckts I know you like to jump into debates with everyone. But I dont have time to fool around with you.
Regarding Bheema being injured and limping during the time of Kingfisher's death was clearly stated by Sagnik Sengupta, which I shared at Tiger directory. But you just post a video of Bheema couple of weeks after KF death and saying he is fine. The funny part is I was the one who posted that video at wildfact first. That video clearly shows Bheema is not fine and healthy, he was weak and lost weight. Now you showing me Sharad vats blog and saying Umarpani is the biggest tiger. Again the funny part is I was the one who first shared this info from Sharad vats at Tiger Directory. Go check my posts at Tiger Directory and Large male tigers from India before trying to teach me. I know you like to challenge everyone and go circles in debates which are non-productive. You aint going to do that with me. What Sharad Vats said was his own opinions. Well an opinion is just an opinion and nothing more. Remember I do respect his opinion but it doesnt mean I agree with it. He may have 28 years of experience but determining which tiger is bigger involves alot of factors. Its still hard to say which of the two tigers is bigger even when they are seen together, let alone seeing them individually several times. Here is a clear pictorial evidence of Kingfisher and Umarpani male shown in the same frame, where Kingfisher is bigger in all aspects than Umarpani (taller, longer, bigger chestgirth). This evidence as more weightage than anyones personal opinion.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Now move on instead of following up with circles of posts, which will result in official warning and banning. I hope you get it.
You're the one jumping into a debate here not me. I also ask that if you are going to do so, you do it in a bit more respectful manor. For whatever reason you tend to debate very matter of factly when you don't agree, like with the " true death of Konda thread". You don't have to agree with me or the people making their statements but I expect it to be a bit more productively done than this "I know you like to challenge everyone and go circles in debates which are non-productive. You aint going to do that with me."
You have a problem with the claims, bring it up with the people saying it. No back to the actual discussion... You saying bheema was not fine is your opinion and that isn't what is shown nor is it what is said from the people I have seen discussing it. You can also see that he isn't limping and in good health leading up to his most recent defeat. In regards to this "Ive contacted Sagnik Sengupta regarding Kingfisher death and this is what he said," "It was not me who identified but yes I have said it to press. identification was done by the forest dept only, yes it died of territorial fight only and either with Bheema or Link7 male, but chances are high of fight with Bheema as he was seen limping with few injuries around that time, pics were not released officially by department so it cant be shared sorry for that." You accept this cause it fits your claim, I got it, but that isn't the majority of the people I have seen discussing it nor is it shown in bheemas images and videos from what I've seen. Your shot of KF behind Uma isn't a debate sealer, it's a complimentary angle, but in the many other fighting images, the road images I just posted and so on, you can see them together and I certainly don't see the extreme size difference you're claiming. You write this "Now you showing me Sharad vats blog and saying Umarpani is the biggest tiger. Again the funny part is I was the one who first shared this info from Sharad vats at Tiger Directory. Go check my posts at Tiger Directory and Large male tigers from India before trying to teach me." If you're regarding post #827 on Tiger Directory, your post is a partial post and not specifically about the size of Uma compared to all other males seen. All that being said, if you don't wish to debate further @Apollo that is fine, when it comes to the death of KF and defeat of Bheema, we just have different outlooks. Hopefully @Vijay Rajan can clear up any misinformation posted.
Kahna Tiger size compared to lion size in kenya and South Africa
Minh Ha How do you find lion compared to kanha tiger in size and height Shaurya? August 30 at 3:25pm  *This image is copyright of its original author Shaurya Reshamwala Tigers win hands down no comparison 1 · August 31 at 9:25am  *This image is copyright of its original author Minh Ha Kenya lion are the biggest in Africa, along with South African lion. August 30 at 3:26pm *This image is copyright of its original author Shaurya Reshamwala I was in South Africa last year I found the Kenyan ones slightly bigger maybe I am wrong but I think the Kenyan ones are huge will post one with a full mane looks much bigger than the South African ones 1 · August 31 at 9:26am https://www.facebook.com/shaurya.reshamw...103&type=3
Ok Ive had enough.
We can clearly see who is the one jumping to debates from the posts above. Regarding what Sagnik Sengupta said, "You accept this cause it fits your claim" what are you talking genius, he said Bheema was injured and limping and I said it could be due to fighting with one of the other 3 males. "Your shot of KF behind Uma isn't a debate sealer, it's a complimentary angle, but in the many other fighting images, the road images I just posted and so on, you can see them together and I certainly don't see the extreme size difference you're claiming." The animals were side by side and there are no angles here, I like to see your images where Umarpani is bigger than Kingfisher without your so called complimentary angles, if not you will be officially warned for deliberate misinformation. What are you talking about Sharad Vats post, did you even read my post 827 ? Did you even see what Sharad Vats said on Bheema ? "Was it Bheema? Maybe, but again unlikely as he was a bit frail over last 10-15 days, and also injured. Though Bheema had the power going for him, but in current situation it seems tough." Not only Sagnik Sengupta even Sharad Vats said Bheema was frail, weak and injured. Stop embarrassing yourself. Im waiting for your images on KF and Uma.
Save your "official warnings" for someone who deserves it.
Images are posted on the big cat feud thread. Along with healthy bheema photos posted here all the way up to right before he was injured and right after the kf incident. Along with multiple people saying the same thing, I'll be happy to post them again if you'd like,We can stack up the evidence tomorrow. I'll be back infront of a computer then. SO until then, please save your insults and threats. 
DEBATE POSTPONED
I don't like what I see. The debate is postponed until further notice. Apollo. You're invited to the mod department. We need to talk. PC. As a result of a problem, Apollo wasn't able to post for some days. It apparently had an effect, but there could be another cause. Not sure yet. Anyhow. Apologies on behalf of all.  (12-07-2016, 06:40 AM)peter Wrote: DEBATE POSTPONED @Apollo & @Pckts , Extremely sorry guys, I'd much rather stay away from what seems to be a hostile debate. Cheers 
I believe Kf was killed by Umarpani since he was the only main rival he had, CM lost every fight to date against Kf and was never a match for Kf so him beating Kf isnt even a slight possibility. Cm and Bheema mostly fought themselves and up until this year. My boy Cm put a lot of pressure on Bheema and it was blatantly obvious to me that Bheema was on the losing end of the things since early October and he looked significantly weak as compared to October, 2015. Umarpani or Cm could be involved and i disagree with the forest department providing aid to Bheema. he should've earned his right to stay in Mukki and unfortunately. "Humans" had to intervene and rescue him. totally unprofessional and defies the law of the jungle.
as far as Umarpani being the "largest" tiger goes, that is just an opinion. he's far from being the largest.  (12-07-2016, 09:02 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote: I'd much rather stay away from what seems to be a hostile debate. Hello everyone, We are sorry for all this trouble and uncomfortable situation created here. We try to make a good and friendly atmosphere here, but sometime situation get out of control due to different views of posters. Apollo and Pckts are senior member and plenty of experience in debating, I hope both of them will resolve the issue soon and will continue with good and informative posts as usual. I assure you, the atmosphere here will remain friendly and we mods take responsibility of maintaining it on time to time. |
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