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Nkuhuma Pride

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(03-04-2024, 02:38 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: He was over 4 yrs old, already size od adult lion which we know as Mohawk is with them, 3 out of 4 boys (including LS) are same size or bigger then Mohawk.

Females definetly cant break his spine at this point, and even would have hard time killing him.
Doesn't change the fact he could be easily overpowered by any coalition of bigger and stronger males in the area.

(03-04-2024, 02:38 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: This also happen on property where Mhangenis are rarely seen (north Singita, prob close to EP/Simbambili), so i definetly dont think they are involved.
Agree. I tried to make it clear that i dont even think Mhagenis were a possibility. Dont think they are capable of breaking the spine of a male.

(03-04-2024, 02:38 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: So if he was killed by lions indeed, its prob PCMs, 2 strong males who could have power to break his spine, or less likely, Kambulas.
Again, i agree. PCM are the strongest duo in the area and i would say are the 'greatest' options of who did it (if lions did it).
I doubt about Kambulas because i personally dont see that aggressive behavior from them, at least not from what they've showed atp. Their only advantage in relation to other coalitions is the large number of members, otherwise they are not all that
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(03-04-2024, 02:46 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: This guide yesterday posted sightings of both Kambulas and Nkuhumas in the area:

https://www.instagram.com/doconsafari?ig...hlbXgxZm1p

And already LS is missing with Nkuhumas.

Yikes... I don't know why, but it would surprise me even more if this was Kambula doing.  I guess nothing should surprise me, and it's still so incredibly sad, but the mere fact we are talking about this many Male lions in what is truly a very small area for them... there should be no shock.
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( This post was last modified: 03-04-2024, 03:48 AM by WildLeonis )

So sad to hear about this young guy dying by what may be a hunt gone bad. So unfortunate. I believe he was the one with the absolute gorgeous eyes. Even when he was a cub his eyes were stunning. It was so cool seeing this guy grow from a little tot to a near adult. Very sad. Now Mohawk is down to 4 sons. I hope they all have a better fate.
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@Tr1x24 true, besides, LS was with his coalition, Manghenis would have no chance.

Even when some of the NK waa below 4yo, a guide said he saw them sidd by side with their father ans they were bigger.

Photo below is from many months ago, before they eveb had left Sabi Sands, and the elder NK here already looks bigger and more powerful than Mohawk, with much thicker forelimbs, and currently the younger NKs don't seem to be much smaller than the elder brother:


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There was also the occasion, many months ago, where one of the younger NK was pushing Mohawk on a kill.

The truth is that the younger NK males are already the size of prime males.

It'd be necessary 2 other males to break his spine
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They are not ready
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As for the culprits, broken spine is a given for lions.

And considering how it was said the guides are leaning towards lions as culprits after seeing the new photos, all that remains ia finding out who did it.

Maybe the PCM when returning from Londolozi.

BDM too far away, Kambulas, not sure. They are very likely the ones behind the BDM beating so it could be them too but I find it more unlikely.
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(03-04-2024, 04:53 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: They are not ready
wdym?
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The nkuhuma boys are not ready. They can be bigger than Mohawk but they are not ready the bigger kambula males are not ready for some reason
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(03-04-2024, 05:28 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: The nkuhuma boys are not ready. They can be bigger than Mohawk but they are not ready the bigger kambula males are not ready for some reason

Quiet Eagle has a video of the Black Dam Males again today filmed March 3rd so it says.  They were sleeping, but neither looked like they had any wounds of any kind.  It said they were 2 KM west of the Nkuhuma females (said to be in Djuma) which they filmed earlier.
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This was the latest information that I was able to find. Quoted individual appears to be a credible source from what I could see of him. 



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Thats not saying much. Herds often attract a multitude of predators which can run into eachother. 

The only thing that can give true confirmation right now is probably the release of photos are atleast a detailed discription of the type of wounds he suffered.
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(03-04-2024, 03:16 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: This was the latest information that I was able to find. Quoted individual appears to be a credible source from what I could see of him. 






Today, The General consensus among guides that have seen either all images or the carcass directly is the culprits were lions.
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(03-04-2024, 06:06 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(03-04-2024, 03:16 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: This was the latest information that I was able to find. Quoted individual appears to be a credible source from what I could see of him. 






Today, The General consensus among guides that have seen either all images or the carcass directly is the culprits were lions.

I guess without anybody being there to witness it's hard to say for certain.  I guess this Darryn guy hasn't seen all the evidence.  I just have a hard time believing the BDM's could do this, and the Kambula's were also close enough, but to this point haven't been like this, and I don't think the PCM's were in the area.

I know.. I know.. he was young, and any lion can go and... yeah.. I get it.  It's just a side we have yet to see.

Is it possible that he was injured or knocked out by Buffalo, and then the other lions took him apart? Would that even happen?
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(03-04-2024, 06:16 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote:
(03-04-2024, 06:06 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(03-04-2024, 03:16 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: This was the latest information that I was able to find. Quoted individual appears to be a credible source from what I could see of him. 






Today, The General consensus among guides that have seen either all images or the carcass directly is the culprits were lions.

I guess without anybody being there to witness it's hard to say for certain.  I guess this Darryn guy hasn't seen all the evidence.  I just have a hard time believing the BDM's could do this, and the Kambula's were also close enough, but to this point haven't been like this, and I don't think the PCM's were in the area.

I know.. I know.. he was young, and any lion can go and... yeah.. I get it.  It's just a side we have yet to see.

Is it possible that he was injured or knocked out by Buffalo, and then the other lions took him apart?  Would that even happen?

I’m not sure the Kambulas were close enough to do this. Last I heard, I believe from Tendai, was that Nkuhuma boys were far North of the Kambulas as the Kambulas had entered I’m guessing Chitwa Chitwa. Unless they followed them West they’re probably the least likely culprits. As with BDMs, I don’t see how they would catch LS in the condition they’re in.
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