Amur Tigers

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(10-03-2023, 06:01 PM)Apex Titan Wrote: I know Peter wants to continue this discussion in the extinction thread, but I have to call you out for all the bold-faced LIES and nonsense you're saying about me.

I am absolutely MIND-BLOWN that you have the nerve and audacity to actually say that I started the insults! ARE YOU SERIOUS??? How can you seriously say that? EVERYONE can clearly see who started the insults. I never insulted you once....not once! You're the one who started calling me a "fanboy" and "childish" and "fanatic" out of nowhere. You also called one of my statements "idiotic", when I replied to your post in a friendly and civil manner. You are blatantly lying.

Why don't you contact every single mod on this forum and ask them who started the insults, who took this discussion personal, and who's the only one saying insults??  Yeah? Go ask them and we'll see who's the liar. In fact, why don't you read Peter's post in the extinction thread and see who he thinks started the insults and ridiculing. Even a half blind person can clearly see it was you. 

We could have discussed or debated this in a nice civil manner, but no, you just had to show your blatant arrogance, throw insults and make those condescending remarks.

You're the one who got badly triggered over nothing. And when the hell did I insult the scientists from the Siberian Tiger Project?? Again, another blatant false accusation based on TWISTING MY WORDS, lying and deliberately misrepresenting me. Once again, all I said is that their capturing methods were harmful and inhumane because some tigers got INJURED from the foot snares. You might not care if animals get hurt while capturing, but I do!  However, I clearly told you that I respect the STP biologists because they published good information and insights about the ecology of wild Amur tigers. I admitted even I learn't from them. So what the hell are you on about?  You're such a liar.

Your responses are filled with lies, deceit, character assassination attempts and false accusations. In spite of this, you actually have the audacity to say I'm the "immature" one who took this "personal". What a ridiculous statement. Everyone can clearly see who took this discussion personal. You got some damn nerve.

You got all triggered and pissed off just because I have a different opinion on the true average weights of wild Amur tigers. 

Yes, I very clearly exposed your double standards. And yes, you did indirectly insult the marine scientists who said megalodon is the greatest apex predator of all time. How? You clearly accused the marine scientists and biologists of "exaggerating" the megalodon to be some type of "invincible movie monster", remember? Whenever any article, information or statement from a marine scientist/paleontologist etc, talking about how formidable and dominant the megalodon was, all you do is try down grade the megalodon with nothing but pure guesswork, biased opinions and basically accuse marine experts of exaggerating the predator. And why?...

because you have a very clear preference and strong bias towards cetaceans, especially orcas and the Livyatan melvillei. You're clearly not fond of sharks at all, so when most, if not all of the worlds top renowned marine predator experts, scientists, researchers, biologists, paleontologists etc, all widely acknowledge the megalodon to be the greatest and most formidable predator in the history of this planet, then it must be all 'nonsense', right? because it's a shark and not a whale, yes?

I can guarantee you that if the worlds top marine predator experts and scientists said all this about the Livyatan whale, you would happily accept and believe their words. And you know it. But they don't and never will. The megalodon is given this title and status for a very good reason, period. There's NO "exaggeration" going on. You're the one being blatantly arrogant and toxic by ignorantly disputing the statements and research of renowned marine predator experts and researchers and indirectly accusing them of being some "megalodon fanboys" or something, ridiculous.

However, whenever scientists/experts say anything that suits your agenda and opinions, then they must be 100% right, because they're the qualified experts, aren't they? So according to actual qualified and highly respected marine scientists and researchers, the megalodon was the greatest apex predator of all time and nothing posed a threat to it, but according to Guate, a completely unqualified forum poster who has a strong preference and bias towards cetaceans (orcas & whales), the marine scientists are basically talking "nonsense" and "exaggerating" the megalodon to be some "invincible" monster or something, right?

And the megalodon "fanboys" are just a bunch of toxic people because they listen to and accept the words of actual qualified, world renowned marine predator experts and researchers who basically know nothing?

I can't even be bothered to respond to all the rest of what you said, its a waste of my time. You're just repeating yourself. But that's great anyway, because you once again showed that you have absolutely NO CLUE, ZERO EVIDENCE OR DATA about the average sizes and weights of the tigers from the Khabarovsk region and northeast China. You did a marvelous job demonstrating that once again.

All your arguments, speculations and mere opinions mean nothing because you have zero evidence to back up your claims. Did I ever once say or imply that its a "fact" that Khabarovsk tigers are larger than Primorye tigers? NO, and I repeat....not once!  You just love twisting my words and misrepresenting me. I made it very clear that it's only my assumption, nothing more. 

For the last time now, I don't care what you say about prey density, population size etc, the reality and FACT is that very large male tigers are seen and traced in other regions/countries like Khabarovsk Krai and northeast China. And none of these huge males (apart from two) have been captured or weighed. And the FACT also is that the weight data/samples from the Siberian Tiger Project is LIMITED and clearly inconclusive for reasons I mentioned before.

And when a highly trained, experienced and seasoned biologist who actually studies tigers and bears in the Anyuisky National Park says the tiger "the Beast" is a giant or incredibly huge tiger, I think I'll take his word for it instead of a completely unqualified, armchair "expert" who in reality is just a forum poster with very limited and inconclusive info and data.

And by the way, you said Amur tigers look bigger than they really are with winter coats, thats why I posted this picture (below). Is this a tiger with a winter coat? NO. Anyone can clearly see that this is a large, massively built tiger with huge forequarters, skull and neck:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

This huge tiger lives in a region (Khabarovsk) with a lower prey density and population of tigers than Primorye. Has he been weighed? Nope. Is it possible that he weighs well over 200 kg? Yes.

And thats exactly my point, but you keep failing to understand. Amur tigers from various areas, regions and countries must be weighed to determine the true average weight. Thats common sense!

And here we go again....... I am so tired of you, but I will take a couple of minutes.

I honestly don't care about you say about me, the information that I posted talk more than simple words. It is weird to see all the frustration and anger in your words, that honestly I can't imagine you like a mature person, or what you are going to do with problems in real life. I read it only once and what I see is a little kid crying and screaming because we are not doing what he want. Anyone that read your post can see that.

Now, you say that you did not insulted the team of the Siberian Tiger Project? This image shows something diferent:

*This image is copyright of its original author

So, who is the liar?

If you ask me if I think that you are a "fanboy", "childish" and "fanatic", well based in all your posts here I will say yes. In fact, you used 50% of your last post talking about Megalodon (really? ), when the entire post is about Amur tigers! It is funny because you insist that I "insulted" the experts on the Meg, when anyone can go and read what I said directly, so I don't need to do anything, my posts talk by themselves. By the way, I never said that the experts said that Meg was an "invincible movie monster", I said that YOU said that, and based in this same post, you insist on that. Do I need to explain again why Meg is still regarded as the top marine predator and Livyatan not? Honestly, I invite to any poster interested in that to visit the topics of the Megalodon, I will not waste time in copy the same information here.

This letters from you shows how little reading comprehention you have: "For the last time now, I don't care what you say about prey density, population size etc, the reality and FACT is that very large male tigers are seen and traced in other regions/countries like Khabarovsk Krai and northeast China. "

So you don't care about the TRUE SCIENCE that explain the variations of size and population based in prey density, genetic variations and human effect in the environment? Well, that shows that you are NOT INTERESTED in learn anything and that you only want to "win" the debate. Also, when did I said that north China tigers are not big? Kid, I litteraly said, several times, that north China tigers seems bigger than those from Russia and that the same happened (apparently) in the past based in the hunting records, but you only read what you want. Again, other evidence of your immature attitude.

It is lame that you say that I did presented "zero evidence or data" when actually I am the only one in this "debate" that is actually showing real data, information, graphics, images and even comparative images to show that visual comparison with no point of reference is pointless. I mean, check your post and you are only insulting, crying and complaining, but check mines and you see real data, analysis and objective appreciation of the case.

So, is necesary to continue with this? I feel like if I am presenting a class and you are just like a conflictive student complaining about it. What is the point? If we are going to continue with the proposal of Peter, are you going to continue with this attitude? You presented no evidence of your statement, just a picture, an opinion of an expert (yes, is an expert but is only an opinion and for only one specimen in the area), and a single paw print measurement!


My kind advice, take an imperative time to READ what I wrote, read it three or four times, and when you finally understand it, return and then we can continue. If not, I think that even the proposal of Peter will be a waste of time. Reply