Mangheni Pride

[Tylermartin!]

(09-02-2023, 02:34 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(09-02-2023, 02:07 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote:

(09-02-2023, 01:31 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 10:13 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 09:19 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 08:03 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: True and probably the number 1 coalition but they also were involved in the inbreeding with the nkuhuma pride and the torchwood pride

im confused how so?   can you elaborate?  how are they in-breeding in the Nkuhuma?  or TW for that matter?


is it becuase there are Matimba offspring in those prides?   cause while that is the case and both came from the Birmingham pride....theyre from different generations sired by different males.

Aren’t the matimbas the uncles of the Birmingham males the Birmingham males sired cubs with the matimbas daughters some of the Birmingham males are sired by sisters and mothers of the matimbas no? Either way matimbas are related to the Birmingham but to your point maybe not as much because of nduna but they are related just like the prides the mbiri males have taken over and the northern black dam males

Yes but I guess I don’t consider that in-breeding.

The least diverse combination would be if a Birmingham happened to be the son of a littermate to the Matimba sure that happened to be who that  particular Birmingham mates with.    Hopefully you see what I’m trying to illustrate.  

In-breeding to me is what’s happening in the Mbiri pride w Mandevu and Ncila.   And what could happen soon w RRM with his daughters in Nharu.    Those females are 38-40 months old and could enter estrus soon.

You can’t consider one inbreeding and not the other they both are they are related and mating doesn’t matter how closely related It’s inbreeding and I just read today that the reason there aren’t many cubs in the pride are because of mandevu and ncile BUT that is close inbreeding and Birmingham males it’s not closely related inbreeding but it’s still inbreeding you can’t say it’s not when they came from the same pride and have the same mothers and aunts all that kinda stuff that we don’t know but can 100% assume

Mandevu and Nchile are 100% mating with their mothers and sisters. The Nkuhuma pride weren't mating with their fathers or brothers, that's the difference. Yes it does matter how closely related the lions are, that's nonsense. Mating with a nephew, niece, cousin or more distant cousin is not the same thing as mating with a sibling or parent.

But it’s still I inbreeding Yes or no and how many cubs are in the mbiri Pride? Reply