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(04-03-2015, 02:22 AM)'brotherbear' Wrote: ~~Pckts, I have watched two separate videos of grizzly bears killing caribou both in a similar situation. Both were small Yukon grizzlies, one a male the other a she-bear with cubs. In both fights, the bear worked himself between the deer's antlers ( something a tiger would never attempt ). If I am remembering right, the she-bear drowned the caribou and the male bear broke the caribou's neck. I have watched tigers feeding on gaur, but yet to see actual footage of the kill.We are not talking about dragging a carcass. But on that topic, grizzlies have been known to drag bison, moose, or huge steers, sometimes up mountain sides. How much weight has a tiger been seen *carrying in his jaws up off the ground? Have you watched a tiger play with a dumpster like it was a beach ball. Can you show me a tiger overturning a one-ton boulder? Grizzlies have been known to break into the side of log cabins and have been known to break into a garage door. They are known to destroy cars, while you are safe in a car from a tiger if your doors are locked.~~Words of Wisdom from Boxingman... Bears use brute strength and stamina far more than big cats do ...When the bear search for food they use the shoulders,chest and legs to do the job and when he flips over huge stones or trees to get food the bear trains his muscles..The big cats do not work like the bear to get food...Bears do in fact train their body by using power movements all the time and their body structure is as said shorter and more compact which is always better than being long and lean as far as pure strength is concerned. Big cats are built for explosive speed combined with power but the bear is all about explosive power with lesser speed, so the bear has developed more brute strength and sacrificed explosive speed...
So you haven't seen the Raja video of him killing a Guar?
No offense but nothing you are saying has to do with strength. You are using examples of bears with out knowing any of their weights, weights of the objects they are moving etc. How am I going to see a Tiger push a dumpster?
It doesn't happen in the wild, they live in two different places where they will never run into these objects.
I have never seen a bear take down large prey with the ease of a tiger, I have seen a bear get in a long drawn out fight with a caribou and be pushed and pulled. I have seen a bear be pounded by domestic cattle and watch Raja kill 3 of them in seconds and they were larger than the cattle that attacked the bear, I have seen raja choke a much larger gaur that is larger than himself in 2 minutes with out being budged. These singular examples are pointless, they have no way of proving anything since the size of the bear or tiger or prey is unknown.
Tigers are notorious for dragging their kills for long periods of time. If you wan't me to find the many accounts of this, that is fine. They are not hard to find, but I know that you have already seen them.
A side note, once again we are talking about animals of the same size. Not 800+lb bears compared to 400+lb tigers.
