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11-17-2018, 08:57 PM( This post was last modified: 11-19-2018, 04:22 PM by Sanju )
Coming to Panthera leo domesticus. Our Gujarat govt is trying all the ways available to prevent this national level conservation project(which is actually political Project literally) like radio collaring lions for the first time, vaccination (which is done to pets, no wild conservation dept of any county will not interfere in the nature), relocation to Barda (within Gujarat) etc.., you name it. These are some of the proving tactics to deceive all people around the world that lions are safe. Even if they are safe, who asked for that! The thing is to expand Lion range for not just species conservation it is for survival of Grassland flora and fauna almost in edge of extinction that is grassland ecosystems diminished naturally from 20 kya and artificially by anthropocentric influence by human occupation and hunting exponentially lion and cheetah and even grey wolf which all of are protectors and maintainers of the sole grassland ecosystems.
Leopard doesn't count as it is mesopredator mostly except in absence of superior and versatile of almost all ecosystems. Tiger is apex and protector of forest type closed ecosystems. Note that all these animals and may survive in each other ecosystems but that doesn't fill that niche. Forests ecosystem continued to replace naturally and supported by human usage of grasslands. even making things worse Since 1973 project tiger and leopard(maybe) contributed in helping forest ecosystem replace grassland ecosystem. making the now grassland ecosystem threatened and rare in India with dominant forest types. At least one respective apex of grassland ecosystem is needed to stop this collapse, restore and expand them to once vintage.
Cheetah thing is ruined by Gujju from Iran coz of disagreement for exchange making them both extinct in few years( if happened Muslim country after exchange might have lost both of them, India saved both of them in its own land). So, NaMo is not only extincting Lion but also whole Indian grassland fauna and flora by not allowing keystone species cheetah and Lion.
Everybody knows how safe lions are... keeping that aspect aside. assume that lions are safe. What's the problem (besides losing political majority among people towards that particular culprit BJP, Tourism revenue which is a lot unofficially directly and indirectly) relocation to other states that are potential i.e. Rajasthan, Kuno and even Gujarat itself. They are too afraid to even relocate them inside to Barda(80 km away this is not even a distance for them as they are already in Barda) as in case there is a chance of them escape to park or Rajasthan and eastwards towards Maharashtra or other. Hence, they are concentrating them severely in the middle part of southern Gujarat even towards seashore and beach as there is no contiguous landmass there for natural migration.
Barda is selected by PHVA in 1990's as to increase them range wise that doesn't mitigate the risk anyway. As they already two lions frequently were seen in and out of Barda. there is no translocation to Barda as they are already residing there.
Asiatic Lion (Panthera leo leo) is never a "population", it is called subpopulation. Once after 2015 census at one point lions touched 700 at that instant. The various so-called meta pops are not really meta pops. even is entire Gujarat is vacated and left to the lions. they are still in the risk. The egg basket is still a basket no matter how big that basket is so-called Gujarat basket. There is needed to be separate basket separated completely! A single male lion in Barda can reach gir overnight and mate all females in Gir (No Joke).
Inbreeding continues in Gir cloning centre/Breeding centre. Ironically Gujarat has breeding centres and zoos even lion landscape itself is a cloning centre from 200 yrs. 2 bottlenecks, incest between family members from 200 yrs descendants from 12 individual founder stock in 9+ districts of Saurashtra in 2500+ villages, cities farms, mills you name it in 30000 km2+ lion landscape and expanding. not less than cloning.
Kuno is the best choice thousand times better than Barda and Gir in regard to competition Prey, Landscape, food(prey base) and water sources as Chambal river tributary Kuno river is there and whooping space is there and lowest competition. and its best in Asiatic lion historical range or maybe some are there outside the country in Iran and north Africa-leave about them even wit as cheetah will be extinct there in 2 or more few years for an agreement. so inside India Kuno is the best.
We know that lion came to India about 25-10 kya I mean 2nd lion wave. bengal tiger might not have coexisted with primitive leo much long but then after with Asiatic lion coexisted controversially till 19th century except in south India as Tiger habitat is dominant in India and already occupied by Tiger(arrived 20-12 kya) south, east, north and central except some part of the west.
Even Gujarat want to drag this vital Project to save them and all grassland ecosystem as a whole by saying temperature in Kuno(dumbest choice to argue as they don't know about wildlife as they made a tropical animal extremely adaptable to hot and dry conditions including deserts lion to polar bear and made rumoured Kuno(45 celsius max) as "sun's core" or "magma", even tiger, all other flora and fauna, even people live there), Tiger-animal conflict(even dumber as they made two living things to two super beings want to die- almost every animal literally every organism can distinguish their own species from other species and territorial animals fight for mate and land for their own species. They don't fight for those with other species. They see another type of animals as prey/competitor/threat. Tiger is not food, neither threat to a pride or juveniles guarded by the pack but a competitor for food and resources in that case lion pride chase tiger and at all costs avoid each other. even they don't even try to meet as they prefer diff habitat in an ecoregion and in case of Kuno buffer is created based on tiger migration to other tiger reserves. The possibility is almost negligible for confrontation, even that happened the thing likely will be happening is that. Expert opinion is this but Gujarat people apply that maybe they don't even know lion and tiger separate or pretending so. [as they do this to advertise African lion for Asiatic lion-they don't know Asiatic and African lion when replaced too!] They always apply tiger-tiger;lion-lion conflict with tiger-lion conflict. when solitary-solitary competition arises in which competitive exclusion happens whereas pack-solitary;pack-pack coexist. Tiger-Dhole, Lion-Dhole in the past, Lion-Hyena, Lion-African wild dog, Brown Bear-Wolf, smilodon-American lion, lion-cheetah, short-faced bear-dire wolf etc Oh god you name it.)
Even Gujarat want to deceive by saying that tiger-animal conflict as a major arrow even after the fulfilment of IUCN guidelines in past(already happened once) and present(all requirements fulfilled by MP govt). Then why Kuno? Translocate them elsewhere i.e.., Khumbhalgarh, Darrah, Sita which are a lot better than Barda the worst(not against to translocate Barda, they should be spread where ever there is possibility 1,2,3,4 and 5 homes inc Barda). if they can translocate them to Barda too why not those places where tiger conflict not there. Tiger will come to Gujarat too its natural.
Even Knowing all this experts, people etc.., keep silent and can't question (except ridiculously and fearless daring people like Ajay Dubey) coz even supreme court and constitution law and order can't do not even question the country's utmost legal corrupt (in the aspect of nature and related things s far as I know in rest aspects this govt is the best and I admire them) monarch power (biggest political Party in the world) NaMo and his gang. Indian Politics can crush laws always anywhere anytime.
