Prides of the Masai Mara

[Franco]

(12-14-2023, 03:53 AM)Lipstick2 Wrote:

(12-13-2023, 08:56 PM)Mabande Wrote: As you said the original Sankai lionesses are L and O daughters so when we're they born?

I don't know that exactly but sometime in the first half of the 2010's. 

(12-13-2023, 08:56 PM)Mabande Wrote: Are they the previous litter to the one in which the Bila Shaka and Hammerkop lionesses were born?

The current Hammerkop pride which we're talking about - also known as Moniko-Hammerkop or Sankai Breakaway - are the breakaways of the original Sankai pride and not of the original Moniko pride directly. In the mid 2010's the Sankai pride was taken over by the 2 Croton Island Males Olerai&Oleikiti and their daughters are these current breakaway lionesses, because when Frank2 & Jesse2 & their 3rd brother took over Sankai pride they were hiding and broke away from them and then established themselves as a new group around 2019.

Please let me know if I understood this right while also adding a realization if I understood correctly. 
Are you saying that the daughters of Olerai & Oleikiti escaped the Olope & Olbarikoi takeover? If so only the original Sankai lionesses were taken over by Olope and Olbarikoi and these lionesses are the daughters of Lolparpit and Olbarnoti correct? Which in turn would mean that the Sankai Males fathered by Olerai & Oleikiti are half brothers to The Sankai/Moniko males fathered by Olope & Olbarikoi on their mothers side?
Even more interesting and incredible is that if this is true, this not only means that the 3 sankai/moniko males have the legend Jesse the nomad outlaw
blood, but they have Lolparpits as welll, making Lolparpit and Olbarnoti their grandfather from their mothers side?

(12-13-2023, 08:56 PM)Mabande Wrote: do you know anything about Porini pride?

I haven't heard much about them lately since Frank2 and Jesse2's death and after 2 of the Black Rock Boys Olobor&Oloshipa chased them for a long time along with the Fig Tree Pride (killed some of their cubs) probably none of the Porini cubs has survived.

(12-13-2023, 08:56 PM)Mabande Wrote: Are they also L and O daughters?

At this point we can talk about two different Porini groups as far as i know: there were the original/core Porini lionesses whose origin is an obscure to me, and there is/was the Porini Breakaway group by 2 lionesses who were/are the daughters of Maridadi&Kaka. 

(12-13-2023, 08:56 PM)Mabande Wrote: it seems around 60% of the Masai lions are direct descendants of at least one of these 7 legends: Notch, Lolparpit, Olbarnoti, Lipstick, Blackie, Olerai and Olekiti

Could be possible, but it seems a bit high percentage to me.

Furthermore don't forget about Lolparpit&Olbarnoti's 3 possibly half-brothers Cheza,Sala&Junior from the original Ridge pride who were fathers of the 4 Musketeers. The original fathers of these 5 were the 2 Old Ridge Pride Males from early of the 2000's so they could hold a very high % of current Mara bloodlines. 

Finally the legendary 4'km lineage by Blackie&Lipstick and their 2 brothers also had played a very significant role in Mara's lion population, but just keep thinking how their gorgeus father(s)' role might have had in the Triangle in the 2000's (if u search back in the Other Mara's male coalitions topic u can find my post of him).

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