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Quote:Since you are making such a claim, do you have any proof of Lions killing adult elephants? And even if it did happen it was likely done by a huge group of lions not a single individual so there is a big difference
Look up the Savuti pride of Botswana. They adapted to hunt elephants in the dry season. One of their kills (a smaller adult) was captured in the documentary Planet Earth in the 00s. The behaviour has also been documented by Beverly and Dereck Joubert (see Joubert 2006 - the majority of kills were of elephants aged between 4 and 15 years old, but there were also several kills of 15+ year-old elephants, at least one of which was classed as a full-sized adult. If that’s pay-walled, Power 2009 also has a discussion).
And yep, they did indeed hunt them in big groups. That is what makes them such a threat - this is about the hypothetical situation of tigers learning to survive in Africa. They, too, would likely have to adapt to become social in order to stand a chance of survival in that particular environment, given the existing competition (a similar-sized cat that lives in big groups and already hunts the biggest prey available, plus also hyenas - themselves a very dangerous threat to lions when they form big enough clans).
I read both the papers that you attached and there was only 1 single elephant killed by the Lions which was an adult and it does not say whether it was a male or a female. So the Lions made 187 attempts to kill adult elephants but only 1 was successful and it could be a female and it may or may not have been healthy.
The second paper only describes elephants between 9 and 11 years of age. And the second paper also describes that it takes at least 25 Lions to kill an elephant in that age range as every single attempt failed unless there were at least 25 lions attempting.
So no, based on the data that we have you cannot say that Lions prey on adult elephants. They don't!
I am attaching the data below
“There was only 1 single elephant killed by the lions which was an adult.”
“You cannot say that lions prey on adult elephants. They don’t!”
These two comments contradict each other. You asked for data showing that lions have preyed on adult African elephants, and that is what I’ve provided.
As far as I’m aware tiger predation on elephants in India (which are smaller than those in Africa) is less-well documented in rigorous academic studies. They, too, prefer to prey on the young, injured and sick though, which is only logical, given the risk:reward ratio.
First of all, the probability of Lions hunting adult elephant is only 1 in 187 so how can you say that Lions hunt adult elephants?? Just because it happened ONCE in an exceptional case does not mean it HAPPENS! That’s simple logic. And that could have likely been a female or a sick individual.
So I will still say the same thing, Lions do NOT prey on adult elephants.
And SECOND, I NEVER said Tigers hunt adult male elephants even if it may or may not have happened before. It was you who brought up the comparison and you said Lions hunt adult elephants.
And every time Tigers would hunt elephants they would hunt alone or in pairs unlike Lions who need a group of at least 27 individuals (for juvenile ones). So that’s a huge difference and yes I know that African Elephants are a little bit bigger but still that’s a drastic difference.
However, if your only motive here is to do a ‘Tiger vs Lion who is better’ comparison then I would refuse to continue this any further.
I would request you to stop this now as well because we can clearly see from the data that hunting adult elephants is not something that Lions do.
I would not respond any further if you stay on the topic of Lions vs Tigers as that is a violation of the rules
…what? You were the one who turned this into a “lion vs tiger” thing in the first place (edit: including predation on elephants - see below). The rest of us were just discussing whether or not tigers could survive in Africa before you came along. And that’s all I’m interested in too, frankly.
Anyway, yes, I am more than happy to drop this topic. :)
Quote:And SECOND, I NEVER said Tigers hunt adult male elephants even if it may or may not have happened before. It was you who brought up the comparison and you said Lions hunt adult elephants.
Quote:You are unable to comprehend this simple concept here, Tigers are larger and stronger plus they are better hunters. They regularly hunt one ton gaurs again and have hunted huge pachyderms before.
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