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Norway Pantherinae Offline
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( This post was last modified: 01-26-2019, 04:45 PM by Pantherinae )

I felt it would be interesting to share one or more opinions that you have that might not be shared with fellow members, that in a thread where one must respect each others opinion and you can share what ever you want. 
 
I’ll start. 

A lone wolf is not a very formidable carnivore, I have heard lone wolves killing bisons, but those must have been injuried or sick, wolves have been documented to have massive respect even fear for the Eurasian Lynx which in males only weigh 20-30kg. https://www.google.no/amp/s/sidorovich.blog/2017/09/06/wolves-and-lynxes/amp/

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Don’t get me wrong the wolf is a formiddable animal, but alone they aren’t at the same level of strength as an equally big bear, cat or hyena.

I can’t wait to hear yours guys! /)
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@Pantherinae :

Agree with you, but we have to admit that the main wolves's asset is their high sociability degree, "all for one and all for one" ! Individually they aren't as formidable as that, as you said. During the fight as natural offensive weapon, they only have a powerful jaw at their disposal. But as concerns the group, the prides of predators, they are the top one: high collective intelligence and extreme stamina.
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(01-26-2019, 04:19 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Pantherinae :

Agree with you, but we have to admit that the main wolves's asset is their high sociability degree, "all for one and all for one" ! Individually they aren't as formidable as that, as you said. During the fight as natural offensive weapon, they only have a powerful jaw at their disposal. But as concerns the group, the prides of predators, they are the top one: high collective intelligence and extreme stamina.
100%, but hyenas have the same problem that they only have their jaws, but they are stronger than a wolf at the same weight imo. There is many that belives a wolf could compeate with a Hyena one on one which imo is ludicrous. That is why I say, I feel they are overrated. Still a formidable animal, but it is in packs they are one of the most dangerous animal.  

Spalea, do you have an opinion that you feel is a little unpopular? I would love to hear if you have one :)
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( This post was last modified: 01-26-2019, 05:57 PM by brotherbear )

Just for the record, on a nature documentary, a lone wolf was caught on camera killing an adult bison. I watched this myself. The bison did not appear to be sick or injured, but of course it might have been.  
I will edit and add: I remember reading somewhere rather recently that in Pleistocene Europe, hyenas outnumbered and out competed the grey wolf. But my thoughts are, why did the hyena become extinct in Europe?
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( This post was last modified: 01-26-2019, 06:21 PM by Pantherinae )

(01-26-2019, 05:53 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Just for the record, on a nature documentary, a lone wolf was caught on camera killing an adult bison. I watched this myself. The bison did not appear to be sick or injured, but of course it might have been.  
I will edit and add: I remember reading somewhere rather recently that in Pleistocene Europe, hyenas outnumbered and out competed the grey wolf. But my thoughts are, why did the hyena become extinct in Europe?
The hyenas I guess depended on open plains and the large prey that lived there, but when humans killed the large prey and the open plains disappared so did the hyenas, cave bears and cave lions.

I think wolves are better pack hunters than hyenas and are a better unit just as it is with wild dogs. As hyenas although often has larger clans, they often venture alone in pairs or smaller groupes. While canids are very often together.
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(01-26-2019, 04:45 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:
(01-26-2019, 04:19 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Pantherinae :

Agree with you, but we have to admit that the main wolves's asset is their high sociability degree, "all for one and all for one" ! Individually they aren't as formidable as that, as you said. During the fight as natural offensive weapon, they only have a powerful jaw at their disposal. But as concerns the group, the prides of predators, they are the top one: high collective intelligence and extreme stamina.
100%, but hyenas have the same problem that they only have their jaws, but they are stronger than a wolf at the same weight imo. There is many that belives a wolf could compeate with a Hyena one on one which imo is ludicrous. That is why I say, I feel they are overrated. Still a formidable animal, but it is in packs they are one of the most dangerous animal.  

Spalea, do you have an opinion that you feel is a little unpopular? I would love to hear if you have one :)

I spoke about canids, not hyaenidae. The spotted hyenas are scavenger i.e. animals which is more used than Wolf to direct confrontations with other powerful predators. And also because they are scavenger they have an extremely strong neck (to dismember a big corpse and to extract the viscera). Thus the morphology isn't the same. The wolves are pure predator, not at all scavengers like the hyenas. Of course they are able to defend a prey's corpse but they don't insist if their opponents is much more powerful (a grizzly bear for example), in this case they would prefer to flee from it. On the other hand the main spotted hyena's morphology fault is that it doesn't allow it to twirl around itself when aggressed: you see the numerous cases in which we can see some jackal biting it in the hindquarters or in the rump ? These jackals wouldn't do that with a wolf.

An opinion about animals I would think unpopular ? Hmm let me think about it !
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(01-26-2019, 06:51 PM)Spalea Wrote:
(01-26-2019, 04:45 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:
(01-26-2019, 04:19 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Pantherinae :

Agree with you, but we have to admit that the main wolves's asset is their high sociability degree, "all for one and all for one" ! Individually they aren't as formidable as that, as you said. During the fight as natural offensive weapon, they only have a powerful jaw at their disposal. But as concerns the group, the prides of predators, they are the top one: high collective intelligence and extreme stamina.
100%, but hyenas have the same problem that they only have their jaws, but they are stronger than a wolf at the same weight imo. There is many that belives a wolf could compeate with a Hyena one on one which imo is ludicrous. That is why I say, I feel they are overrated. Still a formidable animal, but it is in packs they are one of the most dangerous animal.  

Spalea, do you have an opinion that you feel is a little unpopular? I would love to hear if you have one :)

I spoke about canids, not hyaenidae. The spotted hyenas are scavenger i.e. animals which is more used than Wolf to direct confrontations with other powerful predators. And also because they are scavenger they have an extremely strong neck (to dismember a big corpse and to extract the viscera). Thus the morphology isn't the same. The wolves are pure predator, not at all scavengers like the hyenas. Of course they are able to defend a prey's corpse but they don't insist if their opponents is much more powerful (a grizzly bear for example), in this case they would prefer to flee from it. On the other hand the main spotted hyena's morphology fault is that it doesn't allow it to twirl around itself when aggressed: you see the numerous cases in which we can see some jackal biting it in the hindquarters or in the rump ? These jackals wouldn't do that with a wolf.

An opinion about animals I would think unpopular ? Hmm let me think about it !

Yes I know you did, I just compared them, as you mentioned the wolves are only having the jaws to fight with the same as the hyena, only the hyenas being tougher. 

Yes the hyenas aren exatly acobatic they are mostly buildt to be tough and heavy at the back. And yes jackals would be stupid to try nipping at a wolf. 
Wolves are insanely fast too! 

Can’t wait to hear it :)
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