Tigers of Central India

[Pckts]

(03-06-2019, 01:23 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: looks like Matkasur is under a lot of pressure from the young bloods, if everything goes accordingly. he should be able to take out both the Shivanjhari sub adult and Chota Matka. tough times for sure, I still think he has a lot of potential given his extensive history of dominance. the only notable defeat he had was against Bajrang when Bajrang visited Choti Tara’s area. 

also fair to say, Jharni is the biggest tigress in all of Tadoba and it’s no surprise, Wagdoh male was the biggest male in his prime and Kori aka Wagdoh tigress was perhaps one of the biggest female. the offsprings they produced are now the biggest in Tadoba. Shiva is Jharni’s brother.

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Wagdoh and Kori’s (Wagdoh female) son aka Shiva

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Jharni female of Alijanja buffer and Navegaon buffer, Wagdoh and Kori’s daughter. sister of Shiva. 

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the King of Tadoba, grew up in Southern Kolsa. he spent most of his childhood in Kolsa, then as he grew up. he made the move from Kolsa to Moharli, Teliya, Khutvanda, Khatoda gate, Agarzari buffer, Dewada Buffer, Junona buffer, Coal mines, Padmapur buffer, Chorgaon village, Mamla buffer and Adegaon buffer, sired over 35 cubs with 10 different females. with the exception of a selected few areas. Wagdoh has ruled almost every area of the park and is still going strong. many speculations, many rumors of him being dead and here he is now. at 16-17 years of age. one of the most legendary tiger from the MH side, Bajrang is also following in his footsteps. these two combined have sired over 70 cubs in Tadoba, that’s nothing short of incredible. not many males have achieved this. these are exceptional male tigers, the mightiest of their kind.

I'm not sure how much longer we get sightings of Matkasur before he gets pushed into the Buffer area, he was just spotted by a friend of mine who said he's looking quite old.
These are the most recent photos of him that I've seen of him outside of the one my buddy got

Sarthak Barde
T-54, Matkasur

28-02-2019
Morning safari, Citing near Pandharpauni
Moharli, TATR

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It's hard to tell for sure but he does look older here, his coat has that dirty/shaggy look that Tigers tend to get when they get passed their prime but again, it's a hard image to get concrete evidence from. Reply

[Roflcopters]

fingers crossed, my boy Mataksur! he will emerge victorious once more. It’s going to be an interesting year for him. thanks for all the daily updates @Pckts I wish i could spend more time here, I moved to the US recently from Canada so i’ve been quite busy in real life. hopefully things will settle down soon. I’ll be back and ready to deliver. Reply

[Pckts]

(03-06-2019, 02:35 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: fingers crossed, my boy Mataksur! he will emerge victorious once more. It’s going to be an interesting year for him. thanks for all the daily updates @Pckts I wish i could spend more time here, I moved to the US recently from Canada so i’ve been quite busy in real life. hopefully things will settle down soon. I’ll be back and ready to deliver.

I'm looking forward to it and good luck with your recent move. Reply

[Sanju]

Two tigers relocated to Satkosia TR: male from kanha and female (sundari) from badhavgarh
 
sundari is captured coz she attacked locals...

and that kanha male (MB 2) is dead in nov 2018. So, currently there are no tigers in Satkosia "Present" (I mean permanent residents not wanderers) ??? @Rage2277 @Rishi

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[Rishi]

(03-06-2019, 04:21 PM)Sanju Wrote: Two tigers relocated to Satkosia TR: male from kanha and female (sundari) from badhavgarh
 
sundari is captured coz she attacked locals...

and that kanha male (MB 2) is dead in nov 2018. So, currently there are no tigers in Satkosia "Present" (I mean permanent residents not wanderers) ??? @Rage2277 @Rishi

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Two females aged between 10-14 years. One of them was mating with MB-2 & there was a rumour of him impreganating her (remains unconfirmed). Camera-trap photos of them was shared.. Look earlier in the thread.

How India learns to not translocate predators from core areas. They just don't develope the necessary skills to survive humans. Reply

[Sanju]

(03-06-2019, 04:58 PM)Rishi Wrote: they just don't develope the necessary skills to survive humans.

Satkosia TR has human settlements? I could be wrong but I read somewhere that these tigers are relocated to core area (no humans) of satkosia, didn't they? but Sundari attacked 2 people may be she herself came out of the core area and got into conflict with humans.

Odisha FD inefficieny to curb poaching is very bad, it ended prev tiger population in Satkosia, now Mahav(b)ir. Hope this female is protected well atleast until new tigers are shifted to mate with her.

and @Rishi, Satkosia (mixture of both) comes under both Central (Deccan) and Eastern Ghats. It is located where the Mahanadi River passes through a 22 km long gorge in the Eastern Ghats mountains. It is of the Eastern Highlands moist deciduous forests ecoregion. Nothing wrong in posting this there (Eastern Ghats tiger).

Ok so, the resident Satkosia female (already presented not brought by translocation, only one left who didn't become victim to poaching in those 10 tigers of 2010) left. Total Tiger Population of Satkosia = 1. Great! Reply

[Rage2277]

(03-06-2019, 01:23 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: looks like Matkasur is under a lot of pressure from the young bloods, if everything goes accordingly. he should be able to take out both the Shivanjhari sub adult and Chota Matka. tough times for sure, I still think he has a lot of potential given his extensive history of dominance. the only notable defeat he had was against Bajrang when Bajrang visited Choti Tara’s area. 

also fair to say, Jharni is the biggest tigress in all of Tadoba and it’s no surprise, Wagdoh male was the biggest male in his prime and Kori aka Wagdoh tigress was perhaps one of the biggest female. the offsprings they produced are now the biggest in Tadoba. Shiva is Jharni’s brother.

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Wagdoh and Kori’s (Wagdoh female) son aka Shiva

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Jharni female of Alijanja buffer and Navegaon buffer, Wagdoh and Kori’s daughter. sister of Shiva. 

*This image is copyright of its original author

the King of Tadoba, grew up in Southern Kolsa. he spent most of his childhood in Kolsa, then as he grew up. he made the move from Kolsa to Moharli, Teliya, Khutvanda, Khatoda gate, Agarzari buffer, Dewada Buffer, Junona buffer, Coal mines, Padmapur buffer, Chorgaon village, Mamla buffer and Adegaon buffer, sired over 35 cubs with 10 different females. with the exception of a selected few areas. Wagdoh has ruled almost every area of the park and is still going strong. many speculations, many rumors of him being dead and here he is now. at 16-17 years of age. one of the most legendary tiger from the MH side, Bajrang is also following in his footsteps. these two combined have sired over 70 cubs in Tadoba, that’s nothing short of incredible. not many males have achieved this. these are exceptional male tigers, the mightiest of their kind.

lara and mona from the telia litter were/are pretty good sized tigresses too..the biggest of the females from their litter then sonam and with geeta being the smallest..choti madhu another daughter of madhuri looks good sized as well though wagdoh isn't her father. Reply

[Sanju]

@Rage2277 @Pckts

What are current living 300 kg+ wild RBTs IYO (in your opinion) ?? Don't think you may be wrong. Feel free to tell as much as you know. Reply

[Rishi]

(11-06-2018, 09:31 PM)Matias Wrote:

Together, the four links present a broad picture of the situation.

One fact that caught my attention was the age of Sundari (only 30 months); little experience in dealing with situations of stress and frustration, aggravated by the "inexistence of vacant territory to be occupied". His immaturity, both psychological and physical, can be a proponent in these events. Saved for exceptions, I always believed that "man-eating" was the result of human factors brought about. It would be interesting to know the context of the twelve tigers that existed in 2007. It is important to know the factors of decline and other indicators of balance and the connections that keep them. As well said in one of the links: what territorial occupation of the tigers in Satkosia currently, and the stretch of the central area of the tigers reserve. Satkosia comprises two districts, with a combined area of about 90,000 hectares; it is difficult to understand how Sundari found no territory in the central area or any other area far from the villages - except for the absence of 5 or 6 thousand hectares distant from any human grouping (116 villages within the reserve are inconceivable for any formally protected area). After the events, it is easy to understand the reasons for this failure. In terms of conservation, managing the human population is their biggest challenge, and Satkosia does not seem to have the minimum requirements to call itself a tiger reserve. Not forgetting the lack of adequate amount of prey.

(03-06-2019, 05:06 PM)Sanju Wrote:

(03-06-2019, 04:58 PM)Rishi Wrote: they just don't develope the necessary skills to survive humans.

Satkosia TR has human settlements? I could be wrong but I read somewhere that these tigers are relocated to core area (no humans) of satkosia, didn't they? but Sundari attacked 2 people may be she herself came out of the core area and got into conflict with humans.

Odisha FD inefficieny to curb poaching is very bad, it ended prev tiger population in Satkosia, now Mahav(b)ir. Hope this female is protected well atleast until new tigers are shifted to mate with her.

and @Rishi, Satkosia (mixture of both) comes under both Central (Deccan) and Eastern Ghats. It is located where the Mahanadi River passes through a 22 km long gorge in the Eastern Ghats mountains. It is of the Eastern Highlands moist deciduous forests ecoregion. Nothing wrong in posting this there (Eastern Ghats tiger).

Ok so, the resident Satkosia female (already presented not brought by translocation, only one left who didn't become victim to poaching in those 10 tigers of 2010) left. Total Tiger Population of Satkosia = 1. Great!

Most core areas have some settlements. But in case of Satkosia, its shape is also a reason. Those are good forests, but not continuous solid one, nothing different from any random forest patch of Odisha. Most of eastern part of central India is like that, with interconnected decent forest cover but with not-very-dense of tribal populations all over the landscape. Due to several reasons, but mainly insurgency & poverty, the protected areas in those parts had no less human interference than any other adjoining forest.
So tigers simply didn't have a reason to stick to Satkosia or any other sanctuary... because it's just not any better than the forests outside.

This map is from 2010 census, see how the tiger presence was sporadic in the east (before)? With tiger reserves getting serious attention since 2005, poachers turned to those areas & combined with 2 decades of hooliganism by Naxal guerrillas, these drifters were were wiped out.

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North of Andhra-Odisha border the Eastern Ghat disintegrates & spreads all over the plateau. The place is well connnected to western part of central India & the tigers are genetically similar too, that's why MP tigers were chosen.

@Sanju post edited.

The faulty relocation, human relations management & overall inexperience or shortcomings Odisha FD were covered in post #12 of policies & politics thread. Reply

[Rage2277]

(03-06-2019, 05:39 PM)Sanju Wrote: @Rage2277 @Pckts

What are current living 300 kg+ wild RBTs IYO (in your opinion) ?? Don't think you may be wrong. Feel free to tell as much as you know.

i doubt any of the males we know of are 300kg+..but they must be near that range in winter 270kg-285 Reply

[Rishi]

(03-06-2019, 06:55 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:

(03-06-2019, 05:39 PM)Sanju Wrote: @Rage2277 @Pckts

What are current living 300 kg+ wild RBTs IYO (in your opinion) ?? Don't think you may be wrong. Feel free to tell as much as you know.

i doubt any of the males we know of are 300kg+..but they must be near that range in winter 270kg-285

Ditto! You think the guys we know are amongst the largest... & then a camera-trap image or two surfaces to put them in their place. Reply

[Sanju]

(03-06-2019, 06:55 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: they must be near that range in winter 270kg-285

Wow that is close! Only 15 kg gap, I think it gets fulfilled when they gorge themselves. Did you count all the terai tigers (RBTs include them too)? Dudhwa, Bardia-Chitwan (Nepal), Manas, Kazi, Corbett, Valmik TR etc..,

And the recent posting of Rhino Calf like male tiger killed in a territorial fight by Apollo can be 300 kg. (IMO) Reply

[Pckts]

@Sanju 
I definitely think there are 300kg+ Tigers and Lions. Reply

[Sanju]

(03-06-2019, 07:34 PM)Pckts Wrote: I definitely think there are 300kg+ Tigers and Lions.

Me too. I'm referring to wild ones. you too right? Man can't observe every lion and tiger (wild ones) on earth. There will be some which are out of human range of observation, thriving in their adobes/havens. Reply

[Rage2277]

(03-06-2019, 07:34 PM)Pckts Wrote: @Sanju 
I definitely think there are 300kg+ Tigers and Lions.

i don't doubt they're around..they won't get that big often though Reply