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Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
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(12-24-2020, 09:02 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: From reading various posts it seems that their problem was also that they were spread out between different prides. This made it easier for the Majings to isolate and kill them off. Just goes to show how unique and ultimately successful the Majings were in their approach

It was 4 vs 3, they couldn't win even if Majingilanes didn't isolate Selati #3..
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(12-24-2020, 09:18 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 09:02 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: From reading various posts it seems that their problem was also that they were spread out between different prides. This made it easier for the Majings to isolate and kill them off. Just goes to show how unique and ultimately successful the Majings were in their approach

It was 4 vs 3, they couldn't win even if Majingilanes didn't isolate Selati #3..

4vs3 is definitelly winnable. 

It wasn't a problem that Salatis had too much prides and were too spread around either as Majingilanes in fact by that time controlled larger arena with more prides. Problem was that Majingilanes had better bond with each others and were always united when they needed to be (that is when they were about to confront another coalition) and Salatis were not.
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(12-24-2020, 10:12 PM)Potato Wrote: 4vs3 is definitelly winnable. 

It wasn't a problem that Salatis had too much prides and were too spread around either as Majingilanes in fact by that time controlled larger arena with more prides. Problem was that Majingilanes had better bond with each others and were always united when they needed to be (that is when they were about to confront another coalition) and Salatis were not.

I dont think it was winnable, not against experience and prime coalition like Majingilanes with great teamwork..

At that time Hip Scar was still healthy and powerful, later on power of Majingilanes fall off as he was injured and in worse condition..

This where prime Majingilanes in early 2014, i dont think any coalition of 3 would be able to beat them in that situation..
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(12-24-2020, 10:25 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 10:12 PM)Potato Wrote: 4vs3 is definitelly winnable. 

It wasn't a problem that Salatis had too much prides and were too spread around either as Majingilanes in fact by that time controlled larger arena with more prides. Problem was that Majingilanes had better bond with each others and were always united when they needed to be (that is when they were about to confront another coalition) and Salatis were not.

I dont think it was winnable, not against experience and prime coalition like Majingilanes with great teamwork..

At that time Hip Scar was still healthy and powerful, later on power of Majingilanes fall off as he was injured and in worse condition..

This where prime Majingilanes in early 2014, i dont think any coalition of 3 would be able to beat them in that situation..

There is quite a few encounters between Salatis and Majingis since 2012 and Salatis hold their own more or less untill cought and killed on of Salatis. I was talking about 4vs3 in general, not particullarly about Majingis althrough also worth mentioning is that Southern Matimbas and Matshapiris hold their own against Majingis in 2vs3 which is even more of an disadvantage than 3vs4. Majingis sure were very efficient in warfare althrough they were not unbeatable.
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As far as I understand, the Majingalani seldom engaged unless they had numerical superiority. In conflict they operated as a group. The margins in a 3 v 4 are not good but it's definitely not a given that the larger coalition would necessarily win. The Mapogos were a bigger more experienced coalition but after the initial loss of a member the Majingalani rolled the Mapogos back to the west. This is why I am reluctant to use too many superlatives for the Mapogos--if they were exceptional than what does that make the Majingalani?
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(12-25-2020, 03:03 AM)Matimbalani Wrote: As far as I understand, the Majingalani seldom engaged unless they had numerical superiority. In conflict they operated as a group. The margins in a 3 v 4 are not good but it's definitely not a given that the larger coalition would necessarily win. The Mapogos were a bigger more experienced coalition but after the initial loss of a member the Majingalani rolled the Mapogos back to the west. This is why I am reluctant to use too many superlatives for the Mapogos--if they were exceptional than what does that make the Majingalani?

Lets get this straight, Mapogos where great coalition, very unique and characteristic lions,fan favorites etc. but when we talk about success, Majingilanes are the most successful coalition in Sabi Sands in the past 20 yrs..

But remember that Mapogos lost 1 or 2 of their members to poachers, without that, i doubt they would lost western sector to Selatis in 2012 and their legacy would be better..
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The Mapogos superiority in numbers actually didn't help them, the Majingalanes had to go against only two of them. The five Mapogos after MrT rejoined them were never gonna go fight off the Majigalanes for a territory they couldn't realistically defend. They were already spread thin hence why they split up in the first place leaving the eastern two Mapogos vulnerable, the story about five of them going back to elephant plains to challenge the Majingalanes was probably similar to how the Bboys made one last show of force in Djuma before going to Malamala for good. It wasn't a full-blown challenge but merely enforcing boundaries.
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Well there's really no objective measure to determining a "great" lion coalition. Ultimately it's our personal preferences, recency bias, cherry picking of facts and narrative framing that we use to convince of ourselves of one thing or another. I would be the first to admit that.

As English soccer fans like to say "If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle." So it goes with lions.
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If I remember there was said the Selati was 5 members, so did we have any photo the this member ?
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(01-05-2021, 07:30 AM)Psyckoo Wrote: If I remember there was said the Selati was 5 members, so did we have any photo the this member ?

https://blog.londolozi.com/2011/06/14/lion-warfare-southern-pride-sadness/
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I don't know why, I always love the Selati coalition...
When the 2 last remaining as Kings in north of Sabi Sands

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Credit to Christof Schoeman
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