There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
--- Peter Broekhuijsen ---

  • 5 Vote(s) - 3.4 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The Mighty Mapogos

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**
( This post was last modified: 05-03-2019, 02:35 AM by AbcXyz )

Let me say that the article you read is one of the worse I ever seen. If want to learn about the Mapogos then read original articles about them, not fabricated like that one where even the year when Makhulu was born is wrong.

This is much better: http://archive.is/R3mrA, but far from perfect.

And this picture shows the Mapogo territory, not what they published.


*This image is copyright of its original author
2 users Like AbcXyz's post
Reply

United Kingdom Big Mac Offline
New Join

(03-17-2017, 07:24 PM)Pckts Wrote: I'm sure the majin's have  ran as well, even though in the doc., it's just one majingilane running from t and kt. I'd like to see how it started in the beginning though if you have that proof?
In regards to T being chased by the Majinilanes:
Mr. T first got there, he assessed then engaged and was quickly overtaken by 2 majingilanes then was chased by 2 majingilanes while the other two stayed behind and finished off Kt.

The video posted on the mapogos fb yesterday has a slow motion moment where Mr. T stands up after laying down mind you and I thought I saw blood dripping down his hip, maybe not, but I'll look again. Either way, he is lying down, he's not rushing in, he's not fighting, he's lying down. 

If a full video exists and it shows Mr. T confronting them, charging into the fight against 4, I'll quickly say you're right, but since I've seen no such video and you say "it's lost" I certainly don't agree with your assessment.
So if you have rangers who were there before the fight started and they collaborate with what you're saying, please post it here. But if they arrived on the scene and the fight had begun prior and they're just going off of a lion roaring, that is far from confirmation.

Mr T had weeks to abandon his territory to the 4 selatis, the fact he was in his own territory and actually fought the 4 selatis, proves he chose to stay and fight them, those 4 selatis were trying to scare the mapogos out of their territory without actually fighting for a long time, if T didn't want to fight them he sure hang around long enough didn't he.... also look how cautious the selatis were when fighting T, it was easy for any unbias person to see they would've much preferred if T ran and they took his territory quickly and quietly without the risk of injury
1 user Likes Big Mac's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**

(05-03-2019, 02:18 AM)Big Mac Wrote: those 4 selatis were trying to scare the mapogos out of their territory without actually fighting for a long time

I have no idea how you came up with this conclusion, but on February 23, 2012, the Selatis attacked Pretty Boy and injured him badly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...=3&theater
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**
( This post was last modified: 05-04-2019, 04:31 AM by AbcXyz )

"The Mapogo warriors have finally fallen!

The brave short maned male stood up to the 4 and put up a valiant fight as his brothers ran away.
He wasn't going to give up his prime territory and lionesses easily. Here he lies with a broken spine, the young victors catching their breath before the next onslaught!
He has probably taken his last gasp of air by now. We salute the legends we came to know as the Mapogo Coalition, it is time now though for a new era to begin!" (Leopard Hills Private Game Reserve, March 16, 2012)

https://www.facebook.com/LeopardHills/ph...=3&theater


*This image is copyright of its original author
2 users Like AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**

"Makhulu Mapogo standing tall over his buffalo kill, watched patiently by a hooded vulture waiting it's turn.

The 4 Southern males were a little closer this morning, about 4 kilometers further north! Maybe they will catch wind of the pungent buffalo carcass during the night..." (Leopard Hills Private Game Reserve, March 14, 2012)

https://www.facebook.com/LeopardHills/ph...=3&theater


*This image is copyright of its original author
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**

"The Mapogo Males fixed their attention on activity of a nearby buffalo herd - moments before the African Sun had set they managed to take down a buffalo calf which kept them busy for quite some time while the full moon was on the rise in the East." (Leopard Hills Private Game Reserve, March 10, 2012)

https://www.facebook.com/LeopardHills/ph...=3&theater


*This image is copyright of its original author
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**

"3 Mapogos being closely watched by this dazzle of zebra, while the Mapogos' attention momentarily turned to a herd of impala alarm calling a distance away from the zebra." (Leopard Hills Private Game Reserve, March 9, 2012)

https://www.facebook.com/LeopardHills/ph...=3&theater



*This image is copyright of its original author
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**
( This post was last modified: 05-04-2019, 04:41 AM by AbcXyz )

"Mapogo's Kinky Tail in his prime chasing the Shaws male out of his territory." (Jos van Bommel)

https://www.facebook.com/vanBommelSafari...=3&theater


*This image is copyright of its original author


Shaw's Male = Rollercoaster Male
For more details about Rollercoaster males see https://blog.londolozi.com/2011/03/23/re...haws-male/
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**

(12-22-2016, 04:52 AM)vinodkumarn Wrote: Article by James Kydd

Night has fallen, and five of the Sparta males, the infamous Mapogo coalition, are sleeping on the grassy plains of Winnis’ Clearing. They lie flat and motionless, our spotlight only just illuminates the outline of their heaving ribcages.I park a respectful distance from them, turn off the engine, and although we can not see their faces, we soak in an atmosphere only they could command: five adult male lions. And us. Together. In the dark.
A gentle westterly breeze sent from the river tickles the back of my head and snakes its way through the grass blades towards the brothers, hardly disturbing the tops of their manes.
One awakens and lifts his head. Like the rest of his coalition he is a breeding male in peak physical condition. His thickened mane, his war suit, has just come into its prime. His shoulders and forelegs, enormous vertebrae snappers, stretch out in front of him. His large golden eyes pierce the darkness and then he cranes his neck back and lifts his huge nose: his finder of food, females, friends and foes. And as the breeze ruffles his mane once more, he finds something he did not expect on the air.
The next second is an image that remains with me forever. Something in his eyes changes, and without any spoken communication all five males rise together like Samurai warriors with swords drawn, suddenly aware of an assassin in their midst. They are staring at us. Through us. The filtered red light casts an eerie glow over their huge frames as they wade quietly through the grass. There is almost a look of disbelief on their faces: how has another lion managed to sneak up on them, and which lion would dare to do such a thing? A look of disbelief and a look of focus: it may be killing time again. The five lion-eaters walk slowly but with intent straight for our vehicle. And then I smell it too: the distinctive smell of lion dung. It’s on my tyres. I must have driven over it earlier in the day….
I whisper to my guests to remain still and silent as the coalition surrounds our Landie from all sides and gives it a thorough inspection. They slide their noses over the panels for what seems like ages, and take particular interest in my front tyre. I have a great view of one of the male’s eyes a meter from my foot: there is no door on the driver’s side. They raise their heads and examine us inside the vehicle, and as I promise my guests they will not jump inside I marvel at the fact that they don’t. After a few ancient minutes they return to their resting spot and leave us to drive home, feeling wonderfully alive.

Photo credits: G. McCall-Peat



*This image is copyright of its original author

https://rangerdiaries.com/diary/mapogo-r...JYLy0G6RPE
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**

Idube Game Reserve
Rangers Monthly Newsletter
11 August 2010

"There has been a shift in power in the lion population since the death of one of the Mapogo male coalition up in the northern sabi sands. The remaining five males regrouped here in the west and were seen together frequently even spending a night outside the lodge roaring. The five males then moved in a north easterly direction across our boundary, something then happened between them and the new coalition in the north, and only three of the males returned west, a fourth returned about a week later – heavily battle scarred, the fifth has not been seen since and is probably dead. This leaves four of the original six males with about half their original territory, luckily for us most of that territory is our traversing area! With the new males in the north putting pressure on the prides up there we saw the return of the Tsalala pride (3 females, 1 sub-adult male and 5 young females of 14 mo) to our traversing area, they were obviously trying to bring their youngsters deep into Mapogo territory to protect them from takeover attempts from the so called Majingalane coalition.

The first sighting we had of all four remaining males together after the fight was at a buffalo kill north of the river, together with the Ottawa pride, it can be noted that the two young Ottawa males were kept away from the area by their fathers, and as they are approach the three year age mark it will not be long before they are pushed out permanently.

The Ximunghwe pride has lost all but the three youngest cubs but the females have been seen mating with the Mapogo males since then. The lodge was visited by one of the Ximunghwe females a 10h30 one morning, she was trying to catch the nyala close to room 5, this after she had caught a waterbuck just NW of the lodge but lost it to her Mapogo mate!"

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_i...030&ref=mf
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**

"End of an Era! Last stand of the Mapogo Coalition!

The defining moment had to come, speculation as to how and when has dominated conversation around dinner tables and campfires in recent weeks.

Every epic tale must build up and deliver a scintillating finale and the story of arguably the most acclaimed and notorious coalition of male lions ever documented to prowl Africa certainly did!

After their brief encounter with the 4 Selati (Southern) males a few weeks ago when the weakest Mapogo member was slightly injured, the dynamic changed and a follow up encounter involving the coalitions was imminent.

Was it the Ximhungwe lioness mating with the Selati males a month ago and giving them a taste of the trophy at stake? Was it a sudden a weakness detected in the weaker Mapogo male? What is certain is that a number of factors led to the showdown and heart wrenching culmination on the morning of March 16th!

Our guests have been privileged enough to witness both sides of the story evolve over the past week.

Firstly the youngsters moving in, strengthening their coalition bond, scent marking all over the Mapogo’s northern territory. It was almost as if they were preparing themselves for the inevitable confrontation.

Meanwhile the 3 Mapogo were occupied and content with a large buffalo kill in the south that kept them busy for days.

On the morning of the 16th when we received the radio message “we have audio of lions fighting in the south”, we knew it was on! The initial message was relayed as 3 Mapogo’s have isolated a young male, this is what we expected… what we wished to be for the proud old men we had known and revered for so long!

On arrival on the scene to see the tables turned was unforeseen, shocking… it took us all some time to grasp what was unfolding in front of us. We expected all 3 Mapogo’s to stand their ground and rise to the challenge!

The old boxing adage “You’re only as good as your last fight” certainly holds true! It was the veteran gladiator that stood up to be counted and fought admirably for his territory, his offspring, his lionesses and ultimately his livelihood as a male lion!


*This image is copyright of its original author


Without a territory is he not a male lion? He would rather die defending his pride than live out his existence as a castigated nomad, whatever your thoughts are on the short maned Mapogo and there are many contrasting opinions! He will always be respected and remembered for his character and fearlessness.

An afternoon thunderstorm rose eerily and saturated the bloodstained earth, washing away the Mapogo bloodline and unveiling an exciting new era.

The fate of the remaining Mapogo cubs hangs precariously in the balance, they will most likely be killed! We are however excited about new beginnings and some stability for the Ximhungwe pride under the Selati males.

The 2 remaining Mapogo have been seen infrequently since the takeover and are keeping a very low profile. Their existence will now be a struggle for survival with limited hunting ability and strong young coalitions looking to eliminate them from all sides."

https://www.leopardhills.com/blog/game-r...arch-2012/
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**
( This post was last modified: 05-13-2019, 03:57 AM by AbcXyz )

At the end of February 2011, Mr. T stayed in Majingilanes territory for almost one week.

Arathusa, Rangers Diary, 21-27 February, 2011
http://arathusa.co.za/rangers-diary-21-27-february/

Monday: "We heard the Majingilhanes roaring to the east early this morning, long before any of the guests were awake."

Wednesday: "On our way back to the lodge we happened upon the highlight of our morning. We were close to the airstrip when we found a solitary male lion that looked very familiar. Upon closer investigation we identified him as Mr T, the remaining Mapogo brother that used to dominate this territory with his brother Kinky-Tail. After his brother was killed by the the Majingilhanes – the new dominant coalition of males, Mr T moved back to the west of the reserve to be with his other brothers. We hadn’t seen him in about eight months, so it was really exciting to find him back in the ‘hood. He was looking fit and healthy, and spent the day sleeping in the shade under a bush.
In the afternoon we found Mr T still sleeping where we’d left him in the morning."

Thursday: "This morning we heard the Majingilhanes roaring in the far south eastern sector of the reserve."

Friday: "The morning kicked off with more audio of the Majingilhane males, but very far to the east."

Saturday: "The afternoon started off hot and slowly. We were pleased to find Mr T again, this time with a young giraffe kill. We’re not sure how long he will risk staying in this area, before returning to his brothers further south. However long he stays, it’s always good to see an old familiar face."

_______

Idube Game Reserve, March, 2011
http://idubelodge.blogspot.ro/2011/03/

"The three remaining males of the Mapogo coalition have been very happy to stay within our traversing area, rarely venturing east for more than a few hours; however, the male who many know as Mr.T due to his Mohawk styled mane suddenly decided to go on holiday recently. One evening he got up and left the other two males, heading straight east, a few days later he was reported as being up in the northern Sabi Sands where he used to spend most of his time before being chased off by the Majingalane males that moved up there last year. About a week passed after that report before he returned to our area having managed to elude the new males up north. During that time, it was reported that he had killed and eaten a baby giraffe. His brothers did not go without food as they shared a buffalo kill with the Ximunghwe pride (including the two oldest cubs)." (Rob Vamplew)


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author

Rundle's reports give us the exact location of Mr. T: Rhulani Road, that is, the border between Elephant Plains and Simbambili.
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**
( This post was last modified: 05-14-2019, 01:28 PM by AbcXyz )

Trying to understand how Mini-Pog (one of the Mapogos sons from Ximhungwe Pride rejected by aunts after his mom died in a snare) has died I (re)watched the following video:




Mini-Pog at 5:54.

Mr. T at 6:20. ("it looks like he already got a smack of the other male this morning" fighting over a lioness who seems that Mr. T has lost, as the ranger says and the video shows.)

The common belief is that Mini-Pog died by starvation. But if anyone has some evidence about this I'd be grateful if could post it here.
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

Romania AbcXyz Offline
Member
**
( This post was last modified: 05-16-2019, 03:27 AM by AbcXyz )

(11-12-2016, 01:53 AM)fursan syed Wrote: 2009 Mlowathis Hit List Continues

The body of a Unknown male lion killed by Mlowathis (Mr T and Kinky Tail) Mapogos in Buffelshoek. Died by the injuries on hind legs.



*This image is copyright of its original author

I'm wondering how did you arrive at the conclusion that this lion was killed by the Mlowathis?

The original post https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-bo...75456.html doesn't mention this. Moreover, Buffelshoek seems to be a little out of the range of Mlowathis territory.
1 user Likes AbcXyz's post
Reply

China fursan syed Offline
Big Cats Enthusiast
****

(05-16-2019, 03:16 AM)AbcXyz Wrote:
(11-12-2016, 01:53 AM)fursan syed Wrote: 2009 Mlowathis Hit List Continues

The body of a Unknown male lion killed by Mlowathis (Mr T and Kinky Tail) Mapogos in Buffelshoek. Died by the injuries on hind legs.



*This image is copyright of its original author

I'm wondering how did you arrive at the conclusion that this lion was killed by the Mlowathis?

The original post https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-bo...75456.html doesn't mention this. Moreover, Buffelshoek seems to be a little out of the range of Mlowathis territory.

i dont remember may be someone told me . now after all these years its looks a like a mistake since i dont have any proof or link about it. i am deleting that post
One day's life of a lion is preferable to hundred years of a jackal "Tipu Sultan"
1 user Likes fursan syed's post
Reply






Users browsing this thread:
2 Guest(s)

About Us
Go Social     Subscribe  

Welcome to WILDFACT forum, a website that focuses on sharing the joy that wildlife has on offer. We welcome all wildlife lovers to join us in sharing that joy. As a member you can share your research, knowledge and experience on animals with the community.
wildfact.com is intended to serve as an online resource for wildlife lovers of all skill levels from beginners to professionals and from all fields that belong to wildlife anyhow. Our focus area is wild animals from all over world. Content generated here will help showcase the work of wildlife experts and lovers to the world. We believe by the help of your informative article and content we will succeed to educate the world, how these beautiful animals are important to survival of all man kind.
Many thanks for visiting wildfact.com. We hope you will keep visiting wildfact regularly and will refer other members who have passion for wildlife.

Forum software by © MyBB