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The Mighty Mapogos

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(10-27-2016, 10:39 PM)fursan syed Wrote: really
so why this thread is created. why to remember mapogos or notches or any others. just better to give the species credit according to you. and what about all the people comments and opinions who are working in the bush. my english is not very good thats why i cant write many things in my mind.

Why?
Because since we have the capabilities now to follow individual coalitions and pride members, why wouldn't we do so?

You can honor a specific pride you like but to try and say they are "unlike" any other pride is probably not the best option since really, how many prides do you actually know about?
5? 10? maybe more... with 30,000 lions alive today and many areas where people don't go since its not as easily view-able, that number is statistically very small. Add to the fact that we have just now been able to do so, compared to the 1000s of years lions have been around, we know relatively nothing about the nuances of individual coalition behavior.

Guides comments are very much appreciated and probably the most knowledgeable people you can talk to about specific locations and the animals that live there. But like I stated, guides are paid, they must go where the tourists want to go, if a tourist wants to see elephants they see elephants, lions they see lions, birds they see birds etc. Also most guides stay at a sighting for a period of time 15-30 minutes then its off to the next sight. It's not like they sit there with a pride of lions morning till dusk all day every day logging charts. They go through times were they see no lions or specific lions. Parks close, rainy season comes or they change jobs and all of that puts a damper on their ability to follow specific individuals. But even if they are one of the lucky ones who get to stay in a specific location for years and years that means they only get to follow the lions in that specific location. It still doesn't open their eyes to the other lion behaviors happening elsewhere.

My guide didn't even know that Leopard Roar. He knew they "roared when they fought or growled" but he didn't know they roared. He never heard of the Mapogos, Majingilanes, Notches etc. No idea who the anderson male was, had never seen tiger images that were available and so on. They don't have easy access to the internet nor do they have the time to go on forums like this. But trust me when I tell you that no one and I mean NO one I have talked to on any forum or in person knew what this guide knew about the actual behavior of wild animals or the signs they give you.

For instance, when a cat Yawns big, it usually means that they are about to get up and change position or get going, Or that elephants are right or left handed and usually one tusk will be more worn than another, in which areas do animals prefer to be and during which time of the day. Guides know more than any of us when it comes to whats going on in their territory, that is for sure.
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Makhulu and Mr.T, credits to Maureen Angela Cooper‎.

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This debate is not worth it my friends. Please continue on with the lions.
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(10-28-2016, 04:12 AM)Georgel Wrote: @"Majingilane" It would be very nice to know when that pictures have taken.

As far as I know there was no date put there, the photographer merely said "a few years back". If I had to guess, I would say 2011, or maybe early 2012.
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@Georgel  there is nothing easy about finding wild life. I don't know about every reserve, only the Serengeti, tarrangire and the crater. There is never a guarantee you will find any animal, of course you can see a particular species if it's abdubdant but to see specific individuals or harder to see animals like leopards, rhino, eland, crocs to name a few, it's not nearly as easy as you make t out to be.

In regards to the guides, I certainly disagree with you on that. Guides are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to "knowing their reserve" which leads to knowing the animals tendencies that live with in it.
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2 lions, 2 brothers, one thought

kinky tail and Mr T 

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Mr T Mapogo

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3 Big Male Lions Eating - Cape Buffalo Kill

Three of the Mapogo coalition (Dreadlocks, Rasta and Pretty Boy) feeding, growling and fighting at a buffalo kill...Filmed at Idube Game Reserve in South Africa
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(10-27-2016, 10:10 PM)Pckts Wrote: The Mapogos or Majingilanes or any Coalition of lions is no more special than any other. They are simply lions, they aren't doing anything that lions haven't been doing for 1000s of years. 

not to the same extent, and this difference is that distinguishes the normal from the extreme,
it depends on how deep we want to analyze this
  
Of course they are simply Lions but with very different needs.
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(10-28-2016, 11:55 AM)LionKiss Wrote: Of course they are simply Lions but with very different needs.

No.

They are just lions, and every one wants what they always have wanted.

Food, a territory with breeding age females and spreading their genes. That's it.

No animal have any "different needs" than this, which is why they are just animals.
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(10-28-2016, 11:55 AM)LionKiss Wrote:
(10-27-2016, 10:10 PM)Pckts Wrote: The Mapogos or Majingilanes or any Coalition of lions is no more special than any other. They are simply lions, they aren't doing anything that lions haven't been doing for 1000s of years. 

not to the same extent, and this difference is that distinguishes the normal from the extreme,
it depends on how deep we want to analyze this
  
Of course they are simply Lions but with very different needs.
Their needs will never be "different" from one another, but I am curious what you think the differences between the lions mentioned and other lions would be?
I think you may be comparing their behavior with human beings. The reason I say that is because humans may behave erratically but that is due to the laws they live by, animals don't follow these laws and guidelines, they live by survival of the fittest and have done so for as long as they've been around.
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you missed my point,


they have the same kind of needs but in a different magnitude each of them.

Why KT and MrT expanded to the east and become dominant in a such a big area?
Why now the Matimbas or the Matschapiris or the Charlestons don't want to expand now?
Obviously they have the same needs but in different magnitude?

It is the need "for more" that makes the difference.
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exactly 

It is a high risk High reward strategy,

you said all, thanks
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(10-28-2016, 06:12 PM)Majingilane Wrote:
(10-28-2016, 11:55 AM)LionKiss Wrote: Of course they are simply Lions but with very different needs.

No.

They are just lions, and every one wants what they always have wanted.

Food, a territory with breeding age females and spreading their genes. That's it.

No animal have any "different needs" than this, which is why they are just animals.

 I definitely understand your position on the subject. They are just lions and they all have the same instincts and needs driving them. But they do have different personalities, why is it that KT and T had the need to separate from the group to set up their own territory but the Majingilanes stayed together. We view these animals from our human perspective and place human personality traits on them such as bravery, they are just lions at the end of the day but when you view them as a human they are all not the same.
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( This post was last modified: 10-29-2016, 09:30 PM by sanjay )

Okay, enough discussion, everyone has its own perspective. This is not big thing to debate.
If you see in general, they are lions and exactly behaving like lions same as other coalition. But if you talk about individual I agree Mr T and Kinky tail got more popularity becasue they explored their life more than others (including their brothers). One of the reason behind this may be, they were more followed and noticed and at the same time they did lot of extremes things that lions do and we human enjoyed it.

If we compare to human, we know we all are same but some human are popular (Hitler, Napoleon etc) due to their activity, they are human but the things they did will remain forever and hence made them more popular.

I hope point is cleared.
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