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Size comparisons
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Top: Cerrado female Jaguar
Bottom: Cerrado male Jaguar Camera trap photos taken at same place. credits: Brasília é o Bicho  *This image is copyright of its original author
 
I tried to make some size comparisons
102KG empty Jaguar vs ALLEGED 103KG baited Namibian Leopard *This image is copyright of its original author Wild amur Tiger compared to a man *This image is copyright of its original author Now some comparisons hand made by me *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author Amur Tigers compared to man *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author Size difference between a female leopard and a male leopard (Anderson) The female is ridiculously small lol *This image is copyright of its original author Average African Lion skull vs American Lion skull *This image is copyright of its original author
As a tribute to the National Caatinga Biome day in Brazil which was yesterday April 28th.
TOP: Vitória Adult Caatinga female Jaguar BOTTOM: 43 kg Lampião Adult Caatinga male Jaguar (RIP Beast) credits: Rafael Garay  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Both were captured on a campaign of Caatinga jaguars conservation by CENAP/ICMBio at Serra da Capivara (PI) - Northeast Brazil. credits: Gediendson  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author 43 kg Lampião adult Caatinga male Jaguar's paw and human hand.  *This image is copyright of its original author
From the Florida Museum
Side by Side Skulls Skull on the Left: Nile Crocodile from Uganda Skull (Estimated to be from a 15 ft (4.57 m) Specimen) Skull on the Right: Black Caiman Skull (Estimated to be from a 16 ft ( 4.84 m) Specimen) Source and Credits: Florida Museum https://twitter.com/floridamuseum/status...0991334400  *This image is copyright of its original author
@"Khan85" this comparison of yours is way off:
 *This image is copyright of its original author WEIGHT: GuateGojira and I had a debate about this some time ago, he calculated the most recent average weight for Sumatran tigers as 116.7, excluding runts which may have represented decayed individuals:  *This image is copyright of its original author Our table for Pantanal jaguars has their average at around 108 kg, with runts and sub-adult individuals counted, the one thing correct in your image is the maximum weights:  *This image is copyright of its original author BODY LENGTH: Here are the body length measurements gathered by Almeida:  *This image is copyright of its original author The head-to-body length for an average male from the Pantanal would've to have been 150, not 140 cm, and that is between the pegs. Through personal communication and recently publicized information we know that one of the heaviest males captured recently had a total body length of 250 cm in his latest capture, he's represented as M1 in this table where information from his first and second capture is included:  *This image is copyright of its original author My question is, what are your sources for the body length of the Sumatran tigers, and do you know the measuring method for them? SHOULDER HEIGHT: The tallest jaguar measured by Almeida on a straight line and without counting the paw had a height of 81 cm, the tallest jaguar measured under scientific standards by Peter Crawshaw had a shoulder height, also on a straight line and without counting the paw, of 80 cm. Your value of "maximum" shoulder height is completely wrong for the jaguar. In regards to the tiger, once again can you show us the sources for the measurements as well as the measuring method? GREATEST SKULL LENGHT: The greatest skull length for a Pantanal jaguar gathered by Almeida was 324 mm, not 290 mm, that's the average gathered by Hoogesteijn and Mondolfi:  *This image is copyright of its original author The greatest skull length for Sumatran tigers according to Mazak and grooves is 339 mm. What your image shows are LS averages rather than greatest dimensions:  *This image is copyright of its original author Overall you're shown what could be considered an average male jaguar with dubious and below-average measurements in certain areas against an above-average Sumatran tiger. I'll be expectant to see what are your sources to back up that comparison. 
@Balam, quick clarification on “greatest skull length.” That term refers to the measurement rather than saying what the maximum skull length found in the sample in question is. As in, the greatest length of the measured skull, from the prosthion to inion in cats. It’s interchangeable with “total skull length.”
(05-05-2021, 12:23 AM)tigerluver Wrote: @Balam, quick clarification on “greatest skull length.” That term refers to the measurement rather than saying what the maximum skull length found in the sample in question is. As in, the greatest length of the measured skull, from the prosthion to inion in cats. It’s interchangeable with “total skull length.” You're correct, my point is that the image in question should've mentioned it was an average measurement considering that the measurements for other portions of the body were inputted as maximums. 
@Balam
Quote:GuateGojira and I had a debate about this some time ago, he calculated the most recent average weight for Sumatran tigers as 116.7, excluding runts which may have represented decayed individuals:Alright, thanks for the clarification. I wasn't updated on that For the average weight of adult males, I used only the data from Almeida hence the difference of 2.77 kg Quote:The head-to-body length for an average male from the Pantanal would've to have been 150, not 140 cm, and that is between the pegs.Yeah, will correct that. For total length, I took help from Guate's chart As for the shoulder height, I never mentioned the shoulder height of the tallest jaguar. Only the average Quote:In regards to the tiger, once again can you show us the sources for the measurements as well as the measuring method?Again took some help from Guate's charts. And as I already said, I wasn't aware of the changes in the average weight It was not intentional on my part. I haven't gone into much details of jaguars right now. After Tigers and Lions, I decided to study more about bears. As I learn more about jaguars, I will correct my mistakes.
The newly discovered Big Cat had a monstrous size, as big as today's bears.
Machairodus lahayishupup. Shoulder Height : 140 cm Body Size : Average 274/318 kg (209-427 kg) It hunted Rhinos in North America *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author Newly Identified Species of Saber-Toothed Cat Was So Big It Hunted Rhinos in America Machairodus lahayishupup (white background) http://www.sci-news.com/paleontology/machairodus-lahayishupup-09619.html
Reposting from here:
JAGUAR TIERS DIVIDED BY ECOTYPES
I've made this comparative image as a guideline of jaguar morphology and groupings based on the biome they inhabit. I've seen many people confusing biomes and jaguars from different places, or grouping populations in size classes with other populations that don't belong together, hopefully this will help.
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Zygolophodon and 'Megalosaurus' ingens.
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@tigerluver could you help me estimating the SH of this Llanos male? You've done some great job in the past estimating the heights of male cats in comparison to surrounding females and since SH information from Llanos jaguars, especially Colombian ones, is completely absent I'd thought gauging it based on these nice pictures could be useful:
 *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author For the wither heights around the hip area for cattle, the only information I was able to gather comes from the paper: Comparisons of Angus-, Braunvieh-, Chianina-, Hereford-, Gelbvieh-, Maine Anjou-, and Red Poll-sired cows for weight, weight adjusted for body condition score, height, and body condition score, Arango et al. 2003.  *This image is copyright of its original author The particular breed shown here is Brahman zebu which is absent from this study but we could use this table nonetheless considering they overlap in size with some of the breeds showcased here such as the Angus cattle. Adult females have a general weight of 500-700 kg, judging by the well-developed horns on the first cow we can infer this is a mature individual so I would take into consideration only the cattle from years 4 to 8, with hip heights of 125 to 128 cm. Let me know what you think!
@Balam, here are the ratios:
 *This image is copyright of its original author Using 128 cm hip height for the cow, the shoulder height of the jaguar would be 69 cm (239 px/128 px * 128 cm) and body length 141 cm (264 px/239 px * 128 cm). I feel this too small and maybe we're underestimating the cow. |
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