Russian Brown Bears

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(05-08-2016, 05:07 AM)Pckts Wrote: @brotherbear
I have been training and fighting most of my life. I started in mma and was recruited to boxing and I agree that we definitely don't possess abilities that certain animals don't possess as well, but what we do possess is technique. Any one who has trained bjj understands the need for practice and an understanding of the way submissions work.
Sprawling, tripping or tossing are very instinctive movements and is the reason why you can see many animals doing them. What you won't see is animals applying joint submission locks, and why would you?
They don't need to grab and arm or a leg, they need to bite, slash or pound. But that doesn't mean our technique will not work against an animal. You can look up a young kid who saved his dog from a pit bull by putting it in a RNC, so that's our way of adapting to being out gunned.

@Pckts

The problem is that we just can't execute the technique as fast. We don't know the condition of that dog, as it is unstated. Dogs can maneuver their necks in such snappy and clever ways that even a primate with a flexible/strong neck can not comprehend. 

I had a friend named Price who had trained in Judo/MMA/BJJ/Krav Maga and was a powerlifter, (495-pound Bench, 700-pound Squat, and 675-pound Deadlift at a weight of 288-pounds and a height of 6'6") and he once had his young 90-pound male Kangal fight him; the neck of this dog was way too strong to restrain, and keep in mind, the dog was not trying his maximum effort (my friend said 80% at most since his dog wasn't that particularly angry, just a bit excited to physically test him.) Basically, four things happened:

-My friend got his right middle and ring finger halfway bit off from the dog right after the quarrel started (of course, he got the fingers fixed at the local hospital.)

-He wasn't able to keep the dog's two main weapons restrained (head and neck), since the dog was a little more "playful" than usual.

-He successfully punched the dog in the ribs; however, take note that a punch is much much different from a body slam (since that can actually break the dog's ribs and possibly kill it), and the dog simultaneously bit his wrist as he provided the punch: a dog's neck is just too quick.

-He became incredibly frustrated at the dog, and proceeded to try his best at pinning it down; the dog's neck was just too much for him. He tried to mount the canine by sticking his knee at the dog's chest an pulling its neck towards his own chest. The dog was easily able to launch his neck from my friend's grasp. He tried side-mounting the dog with all four of its limbs under his chest and hip; this only resulted in the dog being able to kick his legs out with an insurmountable amount of force and explosively get its neck back out of my friend's tight grasp. Lastly, he tried to rear choke the dog. The dog's loose skin and speedy neck helped it instantly swarm out of my friend's hold and restrained his right arm with a bite.

I saw all of this in real-time, first-person view. It amazed me how a young, yet well-bred dog could easily hold its own (with only its jaws) towards an experienced lifter and fighter with usable, strong, and flexible limbs.

Peter, on the AvA forum, mentioned how a very fit and trained 200-pound zookeeper was not able to physically restrain a 50-pound leopardess if she went berserk. If most animals of equal weight tried, they would easily be able to bite/slash/pound us explosively (we have a relative lower fast-twitch muscle ratio than most other animals, and carnivores/herbivorous animals usually have much more muscle neurons per muscle length than primates do.)

However, at adrenaline rush, I believe a human can take on a 10 to 80-pound domestic pet, a sub-adult wolf, a professional strongman/less-skilled MMA fighter, or maybe even a 20 to 100-pound primate of any kind and at least harm it or make it retreat. Anything else, no way. The maximum we are actually able to lift (as in a 'deadlift' sort of way) during adrenaline rush would be 1500-pounds maximum and our reflexes only increase by 31.8% (I have the study on my Drive from the NRZI-National Russian Zoological Institute, though I have to translate it into English, and the English isn't good itself.)

Some of the movements you stated that "seem" natural to untrained humans, are not so natural at my BJJ academy. I see newcomers trying to use only their brute strength simply to pull their arm off an omoplata or arm lock, not really knowing how to sprawl, trip, etc...

I guess it depends on the relative person's experience; I am not so good with BJJ as I am at MMA, so I tend to strike more instead of grapple/wrestle. Others might do vice versa, and some others might be on my level of expertise and experience. But most animals are much more better fighters than us, especially pound-for-pound, whether other primates, canines, ursines, felids, bovines, or even robust cervids.

A trained and fit 180-pound man, assuming he is behind the deer, can often take a 130-pound deer down by tackling it down, but can he take it while facing its front? That is the question; I assume the man loses at least 9/10 times in that fight. Reply