Maximum size of prey that a single male lion or tiger can kill

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Here we go again... 

Quote:Sorry but that is exactly what you are saying between lines.

Between your lines are not mine.

Quote:We are talking of the same study (no plural, there is only one study that you posted and is the same that I posted)

In that exact study I posted they made 0 mention of weighing any prey.

Quote:Dr Karanth of Dr Sunquist. Like I explained several times, they DID weighed the animals and they estimated the rest from what the tiger ate. Taking in count the maximum and the minimum that a tiger can eat, 35 and 10 kg respectivelly, and the amount of time that the tiger expended in the prey, they estimated the remain body mass of the carcass.

Like I've already shown, carcasses get preyed upon by many scavengers and far more than what a tiger can eat at one sitting can be removed from a carcass.


Next is that you cannot show me a single weight of a carcass can you? You cant present me a single Gaur that was killed by a tiger and weighed? You can show a picture of one being weighed but you have no weight to add to the image or any other Gaur for that matter.

Quote:Tiger vs Bison accounts from 1935

To what extent are these cases known?
Carcasses found, fine heads, predations seen?
All of those need to be determined before it's case closed account. 

Quote:Kanha Account

Like we've already gone over, the older the bull the larger the horns. Was this bull old and on its last legs, did it die from natural causes was the carcass intact?
Again, these are question you cannot answer because these details are missing and they're the most important ones to know for this debate.

Quote:Kanha female

Once again, carcass found at a stream bank. Do I need to bring up again the multitude of sizes in "bulls" and a Tigress certainly isn't overpowering an Alpha bull with a bite to the back of the neck. 

Quote:Dasha" or T-03 was a gaur expert, which means that he killed several gaurs of several sizes. The case that you put was just the result of his error.

Yes several sized Gaurs, no mention of a big Bull other than the one that killed him.

Quote:In this case you have a personal problem, because all the people, scientists and experts, "interpret" the document of Karanth & Sunqusit (1995) in the same form that I. You say that there is no new data for the moment and that is correct as no study appart from that of Karanth and Schaller took the time to see the sex, health and age of the prey killed. From my part, Dr Karanth, Dr Sunquist and I are 100% sure that a tiger can and do kill gaurs of up to 1,000 kg and that is the scientific status, if you don't belive it is up to you. By the way I will like to clarify that I am not trying to convince you, for the contrary I am just showing to any other reader how wron you are in this point and in fact I am happy because this is an oportunity to show the information then the casual reader will have the oportunity to learn and to see what the scientists do and how even with evidence there is going to be allways people that denied the facts

And I'm happy to show that people are so desperate to embellish predatory feats that they are willing to make claims and accept them without proper evidence to back them.

I'll take a healthy Skepticism over a blind acceptance any day of the week.

Quote:Wow, this is funny in many levels!   In table 4 in the document of Karanth & Sunquist (1995) it says that they studied 69 gaur kills, from that 62 were clasified by sex and age and the 14.6% were adult males, which means that 9 adult males were recorded and from that Sunquist & Sunquist (2002) mention that "several" of them were up to 1,000 kg, which means that more than 2 males weighed up to that figure. So with such a relative small sample, we can see that the even of tigers killing adult bull gaur is not 1 in a million, but is more common that we can expect.

And yet again, show me a single Gaur carcass that weighed 1000kg. 
Show me one excerpt where they state "this carcass was weighed and it weighed 1000kg and was killed by a Tiger" Reply