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Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides

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Hi All,
My first post. I got hooked up watching lions, leopards, cheetahs about May this year (2021). Especially lion dynamics is interesting, and I thought about a map to make more sense of it. Just now found this thread.
I wonder if it would be of interest to you, if anybody would like to contribute to create an interactive map? On the attached image is an early version / proof of concept, locations etc are wrong, sorry. Only an image, as haven't deployed it yet at this stage as a webpage, thus only a screenshot from my computer.

It would be an open source project, so anybody could use it on their website or develop in a different way.
- zoom in/out
- when you hoover over the icon, name shows
- when clicked, a card with some information shows up (website/directions just a place holder)
- at the moment male lions and notable females could have an icon, while prides are indicated by (now pink) circle

At the moment it would be technically tricky (my first map!) to draw exact area pride/males reside, so just markers around the middle of the areas.
What exactly would show up in the card, what icons etc, all up for a discussion.

What kind of contribution?
- Longitude/lattitude numbers to pin up an icon on the map
- names of males, coalitions and prides and other information about them
- advice


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An interactive map would be more usefull and easier than the current methods I think. Though perhaps just focus on Sabi as a try out?
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Live map now can be seen at Lions map

Github code: github code

At the moment data are collected in a comma separated format (csv), and looks as follows:

Sex,Name,Coalition,Pride,Lon,Lat,You_post,Status
Male,Dark Mane,Northern Avoca,Talamati,-24.710772458126563, 31.527888425122317,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Male,Blondie,Northern Avoca,Nkuhuma,-24.79213371816779, 31.537971293441696,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Male,Mohawk,Northern Avoca,Nkuhuma,-24.79213371816779, 31.539971293441696,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Male,Red Road,no coalition,Nharu,-24.62684727329454, 31.488749631175956,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Female,Lady Tsalala,no coalition,Tsalala,-24.475019046901982,31.392624600358022,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Dead
Male,Einstein Imbali,no coalition,pride-name,-24.679580098631323, 31.561190732252115,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Alive
Male,Tinyo,Southern Avoca,name,-24.77449243524635, 31.588595240111196,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Alive
Male,Nenha,Southern Avoca,name,-24.77449243524635, 31.592595240111196,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Alive
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(11-30-2021, 08:15 PM)hotbit Wrote: Live map now can be seen at Lions map

Github code: github code

At the moment data are collected in a comma separated format (csv), and looks as follows:

Sex,Name,Coalition,Pride,Lon,Lat,You_post,Status
Male,Dark Mane,Northern Avoca,Talamati,-24.710772458126563, 31.527888425122317,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Male,Blondie,Northern Avoca,Nkuhuma,-24.79213371816779, 31.537971293441696,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Male,Mohawk,Northern Avoca,Nkuhuma,-24.79213371816779, 31.539971293441696,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Male,Red Road,no coalition,Nharu,-24.62684727329454, 31.488749631175956,https://www.youtube.com/embed/YmDW6aGXa2A,Alive
Female,Lady Tsalala,no coalition,Tsalala,-24.475019046901982,31.392624600358022,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Dead
Male,Einstein Imbali,no coalition,pride-name,-24.679580098631323, 31.561190732252115,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Alive
Male,Tinyo,Southern Avoca,name,-24.77449243524635, 31.588595240111196,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Alive
Male,Nenha,Southern Avoca,name,-24.77449243524635, 31.592595240111196,https://www.youtube.com/embed/oua4XBkB3_0,Alive
The map is wrong and various coalitions and prides of Sabi Sands are missing. If you want I can tell you the prides and coalitions of Sabi Sands.
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(12-03-2021, 12:08 AM)Calvitoo Wrote:
(11-30-2021, 08:15 PM)hotbit Wrote: Live map now can be seen at Lions map

Github code: github code
The map is wrong and various coalitions and prides of Sabi Sands are missing. If you want I can tell you the prides and coalitions of Sabi Sands.

Yes, I know it's inaccurate/wrong. I made a note on the map itself.

All the help to make it better is very welcomed!
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( This post was last modified: 12-10-2021, 11:57 PM by Calvitoo )

(12-03-2021, 02:36 AM)hotbit Wrote:
(12-03-2021, 12:08 AM)Calvitoo Wrote:
(11-30-2021, 08:15 PM)hotbit Wrote: Live map now can be seen at Lions map

Github code: github code
The map is wrong and various coalitions and prides of Sabi Sands are missing. If you want I can tell you the prides and coalitions of Sabi Sands.

Yes, I know it's inaccurate/wrong. I made a note on the map itself.

All the help to make it better is very welcomed!
-The western part of Sabi Sands in Inyati and Ulusaba is the legendary Othawa pride that is formed by 3 lionesses and 6 cubs of which 5 are female and one is male and is ruled by the Tumbela coalition formed by Skorro Jr and Limper.
-The legendary Ximhungwe pride of a lioness hangs throughout the western part of Sabi Sands.
- In Singita and the western part of Londolozi is the Mhangeni pride that for now is not ruled by anyone since the death of the Ottawa male in May of this year the herd consists of 6 lionesses 2 cubs.
-the mythical Tsalala pride is in the center of Londolozi and is made up of 1 young lioness.
-In the north of Londolozi and Mala Mala and in much of the north center of Sabi Sands is the Nkuhuma pride composed of 8 lionesses, 8 sub-adults and 7 cubs ruled by two of the Nothern Avocas that are Mohawk and Blondie.
-More north of Sabi Sands and Manyeleti is the pride of Talamati made up of 5 lionesses 7 sub-adults and 4 cubs that is ruled by the other Nothern Avoca Dark Mane.
-In the northwest of Sabi Sands and in the northeast of Mala Mala on the border of the Kruger and in the Kruger is the trochwood pride composed of 14 lionesses 4 of which hang from the pride and more than 10 cubs, is ruling by the two Kruger males.
-In the center and south of Mala Mala and the central and eastern sector of Londolozi is the Kambula pride that is divided into 3 parts, the first part is two Kambula lionesses, one of them infertile that is found in the north of Mala Mala with the Avocas, the second part of the pride are 3 lionesses that has 11 cubs that are ruled by the legendary and powerful Birmingham coalition made up of the two remaining warriors Tinyo and Nhenha and the third part is made up of the 12 sub-adults and a Kambula lioness where they are joined several times with the BBoys and the 3 lionesses.
-In the south of Mala Mala and in the southeast of Sabi Sands is the Sand River pride, composed of 4 lionesses and several cubs, ruled by the two Southern Avocas.
-Finally in the central and western section of southern Sabi Sands is the Styx pride consisting of 4 lionesses and 11 cubs and the Southern pride consisting of 1 lioness and two cubs where it is governed by the N'waswitshaka coalition formed by Gore, Amahle , Ubuso, Eorenji.
-In the north of Sabi Sands the male Imbali is trying to conquer the Talamati pride.
-In Singita are the 2 young males Plains Camp and further south of Singita is the young male Nkuhuma.
-In the south of Ulusaba and in and around the area is the young Gringrella Othawa.
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( This post was last modified: 12-04-2021, 02:22 AM by criollo2mil )

(12-04-2021, 12:25 AM)Calvitoo Wrote:
(12-03-2021, 02:36 AM)hotbit Wrote:
(12-03-2021, 12:08 AM)Calvitoo Wrote:
(11-30-2021, 08:15 PM)hotbit Wrote: Live map now can be seen at Lions map

Github code: github code
The map is wrong and various coalitions and prides of Sabi Sands are missing. If you want I can tell you the prides and coalitions of Sabi Sands.

Yes, I know it's inaccurate/wrong. I made a note on the map itself.

All the help to make it better is very welcomed!
-The western part of Sabi Sands in Inyati and Ulusaba is the legendary Othawa herd that is formed by 3 lionesses and 6 cahorros of which 5 are female and one is male and is ruled by the Tumbelea tail formed by Skorro Jr and Limper.
-The legendary Ximhungwe pride of a lioness hangs throughout the eastern part of Sabi Sands.
- In Singita and the western part of Londolozi there is the Mhangeni herd that for now is not ruled by anyone since the death of the Ottawa male in May of this year the herd consists of 6 lionesses 2 cubs.
-the mythical herd Tsalala is in the center of Londolozi and is made up of 1 young lioness.
-In the north of Londolozi and Mala Mala and in much of the north center of Sabi Sands is the Nkuhuma pride composed of 8 lionesses, 8 sub-adults and 7 cubs ruled by two of the Nothern Avocas that are Mohawk and Blondie.
-More north of Sabi Sands and Manyeleti is the pride of Talamati made up of 5 lionesses 7 sub-adults and 4 cubs that is ruled by the other Nothern Avoca Dark Mane.
-In the northwest of Sabi Sands and in the northeast of Mala Mala on the border of the Kruger and in the Kruger is the trochwood pride composed of 14 lions 4 of which hang from the pride and more than 10 cubs, is ruling by the two Kruger males.
-In the center and south of Mala Mala and the central and eastern sector of Londolozi is the Kambula herd that is divided into 3 parts, the first part is two Kambula lionesses, one of them infertile that is found in the north of Mala Mala with the Avocas, the second part of the pride are 3 lionesses that has 11 cubs that are ruled by the legendary and powerful Birmingham coalition made up of the two remaining warriors Tinyo and Nhenha and the third part is made up of the 12 sub-adults and a Kambula lioness where they are joined several times with the BBoys and the 3 lionesses.
-In the south of Mala Mala and in the southeast of Sabi Sands is the Sand River pride, composed of 4 lionesses and several cubs, ruled by the two Southern Avocas.
-Finally in the central and western section of southern Sabi Sands is the Styx pride consisting of 4 lionesses and 12 cubs and the Southern pride consisting of 1 lioness and two cubs where it is governed by the N'waswitshaka coalition formed by Gore, Amahle , Ubuso, Eorenji.
-In the north of Sabi Sands the male Imbali is trying to conquer the Talamati pride.
-In Singita are the 2 young males Plains Camp and further south of Singita is the young male Nkuhuma.
-In the south of Ulusaba and in and around the area is the young Gringrella Othawa.

If I may ask, where have you gotten confirmation of Talamati cubs?  I have only heard suspicions and never any sightings.   

I’m only tracking 11 cubs with the Styx Pride.  

I’m also tracking 9 Talamati Sub-Adults.  

I also would like to add that two of the a Nkuhuma lionesses (ridge nose and amber eyes) have splintered from the main Pride and have spent the last two or more months with the PCYMs.   In a similar fashion that two (maybe 3) of the Talamati lionesses have been away with Imbali/S8 male.

Lastly, one lone lioness, sister to N’waswishaka is now taking residence in lion sands and has 3 cubs, suspected to be sired by the S Avocas
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@Calvitoo

This is great! Do you think you can find locations (longitude latitude)? As I have to pin lions and prides somewhere on the map.
Maybe also a link to a youtube video?

I've never yet been to South Africa and it's quite challenging for me to figure out locations. If you will right-click on the place in google maps, it should show the location, if you left-click on the numbers, it will copy to clipboard and you can later paste it elsewhere.

It's also possible to cooperate directly on github. Even if you cannot write the code, it's possible to discuss things in the 'issues' part of the project. Or to update data files (lions.csv and prides.scv).

Cheers!
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(12-04-2021, 02:50 AM)lionuk Wrote:
(12-04-2021, 02:19 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: If I may ask, where have you gotten confirmation of Talamati cubs?  I have only heard suspicions and never any sightings.   

I’m only tracking 11 cubs with the Styx Pride.  

I’m also tracking 9 Talamati Sub-Adults.  

I also would like to add that two of the a Nkuhuma lionesses (ridge nose and amber eyes) have splintered from the main Pride and have spent the last two or more months with the PCYMs.   In a similar fashion that two (maybe 3) of the Talamati lionesses have been away with Imbali/S8 male.

Lastly, one lone lioness, sister to N’waswishaka is now taking residence in lion sands and has 3 cubs, suspected to be sired by the S Avocas
I agree with you on everything what you've written here. Several contradictory statements by Calvitoo, I'm afraid.
I'm sorry that I left many things I had to do it quickly, sorry.
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(12-04-2021, 03:04 AM)Calvitoo Wrote:
(12-04-2021, 02:50 AM)lionuk Wrote:
(12-04-2021, 02:19 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: If I may ask, where have you gotten confirmation of Talamati cubs?  I have only heard suspicions and never any sightings.   

I’m only tracking 11 cubs with the Styx Pride.  

I’m also tracking 9 Talamati Sub-Adults.  

I also would like to add that two of the a Nkuhuma lionesses (ridge nose and amber eyes) have splintered from the main Pride and have spent the last two or more months with the PCYMs.   In a similar fashion that two (maybe 3) of the Talamati lionesses have been away with Imbali/S8 male.

Lastly, one lone lioness, sister to N’waswishaka is now taking residence in lion sands and has 3 cubs, suspected to be sired by the S Avocas
I agree with you on everything what you've written here. Several contradictory statements by Calvitoo, I'm afraid.
I'm sorry that I left many things I had to do it quickly, sorry.

 No worries, just trying to flush out all the details and reconcile what we all have.   I certainly don’t claim to have 100% of all sightings so I always like to ask.  I always appreciate the dialogue
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(11-26-2021, 05:14 PM)Timbavati Wrote: Hello everyone, a map for the current coalitions in Kruger. Just something me & @Brahimlegend thought people might find helpful. If anyone thinks anyone is missing let us know and we will add them. 

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There is definitely a dense congestion of lion prides and male lions in certain areas of this map.  Some areas have relatively few lions at all up in Kruger.
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(01-15-2022, 04:13 AM)1ofCourage Wrote: There is definitely a dense congestion of lion prides and male lions in certain areas of this map.  Some areas have relatively few lions at all up in Kruger.

If you're referring to the Northern Kruger and even in this map then you're fairly right. The area is dominated by dense mopani and grazing herds are less than what would be found south of the Olifants River so pride territories are larger and density lower. That said, it's also traversed by fewer roads, is less busy than Satara downwards and does not have as many private concessions as the Central and Southern regions so information is sparse. 

There are more male lions, and prides, in the areas west of the main tar north of Satara going past Olifants, Letaba, Mopani and Shingwedzi, I have seen them in the past, but the road network is limited especially as you get north of the Olifants. This map is great work but it seems that there are 3 coalitions or territories in the Kruger Proper in the entire region from the H7 to Punda Maria west of the main tar running north. That's impossible and to my mind purely a lack of information flow.
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