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12-23-2020, 03:21 PM( This post was last modified: 12-23-2020, 03:23 PM by Tr1x24 )
(12-23-2020, 01:13 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: Solo Tsalala male.
very tall and good looking male.
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What a specimen of a male, one of the biggest if not the biggest male around at his time.
Shame he lived in an era when competition in Sabi Sands was just too hard and especially in southern parts, where was big battlefield from 2010 to 2018 which ultimatley decimated all prides in that area.
After losing Freddy to Charlestons, he was dominant on S1 for some time, but Charlestons took that too when they moved deeper in Kruger in 2017..
He was last seen with young Hildas Rock male in April 2017 at Lion Sands at around of 11-12 yrs of age.
12-23-2020, 03:40 PM( This post was last modified: 12-23-2020, 03:50 PM by Dark Jaguar )
(12-23-2020, 03:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 01:13 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: Solo Tsalala male.
very tall and good looking male.
*This image is copyright of its original author
What a specimen of a male, one of the biggest if not the biggest male around at his time.
Shame he lived in an era when competition in Sabi Sands was just too hard and especially in southern parts, where was big battlefield from 2010 to 2018 which ultimatley decimated all prides in that area.
After losing Freddy to Charlestons, he was dominant on S1 for some time, but Charlestons took that too when they moved deeper in Kruger in 2017..
He was last seen with young Hildas Rock male in April 2017 at Lion Sands at around of 11-12 yrs of age.
Solo had bad luck as his coalitions partners died ending up with him all alone again, its amazing that he still kept his great appearance.
I still recall reading somewhere about how Bibi (tailess lioness) fiercely defended Solo against Makulu Mapogo when Solo was still on younger days in the late 2000's.
Bibi and her Daughter were true warriors of the Tsalala pride back in those times.
Roadblock!! These three lionesses moved off from an open area and into a nice shady spot in the road where they continued their morning nap – taking over the road – with no intention to move.
The Styx pride at Sabi Sabi
Image credits: Louise Murray
(12-23-2020, 09:16 PM)Potato Wrote: Actually Solo and Cloe had very good opportunity to take over southern sector with Salati pride having just single KNP male, but they failed.
Freddy was never a problem for Solo and Cloe, theres a report that Solo alone chased him, they would eventualy takeover SP from Freddy, but the problem was the 3 Sand River males who where coming from the south,already had a portion of SP with them, and they ultimately win the battle for Southern Pride between those 3 coalitions in early 2014.
Altrough all that situation with Southern Pride in late 2013/early 2014 was a mess, if im not mistaken Southern Pride was split, some females where with Freddy, some with Sand River males at the same time and Solo/Cleo was also in the picture..
In the end Cleo was killed in January 2014 i believe, and Freddy completely lost control of SP few month later to Sand River males.
(12-23-2020, 09:16 PM)Potato Wrote: Actually Solo and Cloe had very good opportunity to take over southern sector with Salati pride having just single KNP male, but they failed.
Freddy was never a problem for Solo and Cloe, theres a report that Solo alone chased him, they would eventualy takeover SP from Freddy, but the problem was the 3 Sand River males who where coming from the south,already had a portion of SP with them, and they ultimately win the battle for Southern Pride between those 3 coalitions in early 2014.
Altrough all that situation with Southern Pride in late 2013/early 2014 was a mess, if im not mistaken Southern Pride was split, some females where with Freddy, some with Sand River males at the same time and Solo/Cleo was also in the picture..
In the end Cleo was killed in January 2014 i believe, and Freddy completely lost control of SP few month later to Sand River males.
KNP male with Solo and Cloe shared dominance in the south for like a year or so (do not remember exactly). Even through Solo proved to be a bit more dominant than Freddy, Cleo was far less dominant. Any time they encountered each others Freddy and Solo had kind of stealmate while Cleo was intimidated by KNP male and always either run away from him or keept low head. Solo and Cleo did not manage to oust Freddy even through they were in situation 2vs1. When Sand River males came they sorted each of them out. For me Solo and Cleo can be argued to be weakest lion duo in Sabi Sands in the past 15 years and the example that body size is just one of the few factors in lion warfare.
(12-23-2020, 09:16 PM)Potato Wrote: Actually Solo and Cloe had very good opportunity to take over southern sector with Salati pride having just single KNP male, but they failed.
Freddy was never a problem for Solo and Cloe, theres a report that Solo alone chased him, they would eventualy takeover SP from Freddy, but the problem was the 3 Sand River males who where coming from the south,already had a portion of SP with them, and they ultimately win the battle for Southern Pride between those 3 coalitions in early 2014.
Altrough all that situation with Southern Pride in late 2013/early 2014 was a mess, if im not mistaken Southern Pride was split, some females where with Freddy, some with Sand River males at the same time and Solo/Cleo was also in the picture..
In the end Cleo was killed in January 2014 i believe, and Freddy completely lost control of SP few month later to Sand River males.
KNP male with Solo and Cloe shared dominance in the south for like a year or so (do not remember exactly). Even through Solo proved to be a bit more dominant than Freddy, Cleo was far less dominant. Any time they encountered each others Freddy and Solo had kind of stealmate while Cleo was intimidated by KNP male and always either run away from him or keept low head. Solo and Cleo did not manage to oust Freddy even through they were in situation 2vs1. When Sand River males came they sorted each of them out. For me Solo and Cleo can be argued to be weakest lion duo in Sabi Sands in the past 15 years and the example that body size is just one of the few factors in lion warfare.
I don't think they were a weak duo. Maybe, and most appropriate a unlucky duo
(12-23-2020, 09:16 PM)Potato Wrote: Actually Solo and Cloe had very good opportunity to take over southern sector with Salati pride having just single KNP male, but they failed.
Freddy was never a problem for Solo and Cloe, theres a report that Solo alone chased him, they would eventualy takeover SP from Freddy, but the problem was the 3 Sand River males who where coming from the south,already had a portion of SP with them, and they ultimately win the battle for Southern Pride between those 3 coalitions in early 2014.
Altrough all that situation with Southern Pride in late 2013/early 2014 was a mess, if im not mistaken Southern Pride was split, some females where with Freddy, some with Sand River males at the same time and Solo/Cleo was also in the picture..
In the end Cleo was killed in January 2014 i believe, and Freddy completely lost control of SP few month later to Sand River males.
KNP male with Solo and Cloe shared dominance in the south for like a year or so (do not remember exactly). Even through Solo proved to be a bit more dominant than Freddy, Cleo was far less dominant. Any time they encountered each others Freddy and Solo had kind of stealmate while Cleo was intimidated by KNP male and always either run away from him or keept low head. Solo and Cleo did not manage to oust Freddy even through they were in situation 2vs1. When Sand River males came they sorted each of them out. For me Solo and Cleo can be argued to be weakest lion duo in Sabi Sands in the past 15 years and the example that body size is just one of the few factors in lion warfare.
I don't think they were a weak duo. Maybe, and most appropriate a unlucky duo
They definitelly were not unlucky, but rather the opposite having golden opportunity of taking over southern sector. Unlucky duo might be the on which cam across big coalition (4 or more males) as there is very little they could do or the one in which one of the males is taken out by unlucky injury like Matshapiris for example.
(12-23-2020, 10:52 PM)Potato Wrote: KNP male with Solo and Cloe shared dominance in the south for like a year or so (do not remember exactly). Even through Solo proved to be a bit more dominant than Freddy, Cleo was far less dominant. Any time they encountered each others Freddy and Solo had kind of stealmate while Cleo was intimidated by KNP male and always either run away from him or keept low head. Solo and Cleo did not manage to oust Freddy even through they were in situation 2vs1. When Sand River males came they sorted each of them out. For me Solo and Cleo can be argued to be weakest lion duo in Sabi Sands in the past 15 years and the example that body size is just one of the few factors in lion warfare.
Because SP was such a big pride, they where split so it was hard for Solo and Cleo to completely oust Freddy, also territory on which SP operated was massive.
And they didnt "share" dominance for a year, because Sand Rivers enter'd the picture somewhere around August 2013,already seen mating with SP lionesses in September 2013.
Sand Rivers pushed Solo/Cleo north at the very end of 2013, and they completely oust Freddy in April 2014.
Solo and Cleo would eventually oust Freddy if Sand River males didn't came.
Sand River males also didnt completely oust Freddy for over half a year, and they where 3, that tells something about Freddy.
