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(02-06-2023, 12:23 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Since this debate has been going on, and since I never have seen a more compelling argument than the following, let me provide the evidence I go with that convinces me that Skorro sired the Red Road Male. This evidence is from research put together by Facebook user: Ruiting Zhong. He not only provides photographic evidence, he provides links to the original photos which confirm the dates and if you know the historical circumstances, it would provide a much much compelling argument that Skorros sired him and not the Avoca/Girrafe. If there is compelling evidence ‘other than passed down hearsay’ that it was otherwise the Avoca/Girrafe, please please share, and I’m absolutely open to studying it.
There is no doubt that Skorro males hang with RRM and his mothers/siblings at that time, photos confirm this.
Problem is there is no exact evidence that they actually did sire them, as young males, they might just hang with them without harming the cubs, or females might mate with both them and Avoca/Giraffes, even with Northern Matimbas.
It makes sense that Avoca/Giraffes didn't sire them, as shortly after these sightings, 2 females with remaining offspring (1 sub male and 2 sub females) run towards Manyeleti and become nomadic Red Road Pride.
So it looks like they run away from Avoca/Giraffes who took over Ngala, if those cubs where theirs, it doesn't make sense for 2 females to run away from Ngala and Avoca/Giraffes.