Lion pictures and videos

[Pantherinae]

no tigers in that Animal park in Norway was 270 kg,  that was another tiger that was being said to me personally without any confirmation from a zoo keeper at Copenhagen zoo.   
the tigers at the Norwegian Zoo are gigantic, but no monsters. the biggest of them are Ulysses 200+kg. smallest Rex 190 +kg. 
Aslan does dwarf rex so does Ulysses. Aslan is more Massive than Ulysses, but he would not strike you as a much larger animal to be honest, much larger head though. Reply

[GrizzlyClaws]

(11-03-2015, 05:11 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: no tigers in that Animal park in Norway was 270 kg,  that was another tiger that was being said to me personally without any confirmation from a zoo keeper at Copenhagen zoo.   
the tigers at the Norwegian Zoo are gigantic, but no monsters. the biggest of them are Ulysses 200+kg. smallest Rex 190 +kg. 
Aslan does dwarf rex so does Ulysses. Aslan is more Massive than Ulysses, but he would not strike you as a much larger animal to be honest, much larger head though.

The largest captive Amur tigers are most likely from China, then follow by Europe/Russia. And in the US, there are very little pure breeding Amur tigers.

As for the largest captive lions, I guess it should be the Europe and the US. Reply

[Pckts]

(11-03-2015, 05:08 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(11-03-2015, 05:02 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(11-03-2015, 04:59 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(11-03-2015, 04:53 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(11-03-2015, 04:50 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: I agree @Pckts he did not look very impressive compared to The car's around him either. And estimate The weight of a lion that well hidden in mane is really hard, feel bad for Lions with such an amount of mane aswell it's not natrual.

On that topic, did you notice mane length differences between locations or just color variations?
I agree, I don't think any mane would ever be that long naturally unless said lion lived in colder locations. That being said, from the lions I see who live in Russia or China (captive parks of course) not only is their mane longer but their actual fur as well. This is why I think the impression used to be that Siberians were the largest cats and Barbary lions were the largest lions. When you have longer and denser fur surrounding the body, they cannot help but look more massive.

Amur can also produce some freak specimens in the captive, so does lion.

But overall on average Amur tiger might not be as impressive as it touted to be.

Why would you say this?
They are massive in captivity, they still hold the world record but its obviously skewed. No pure bred bengal tiger lives in captivity anywhere we are able to get verified weights, india certainly doesn't share any of their weights that I'm aware of.

The average Amur or lion are just as large as their healthy wild counterparts, but they got more chance to become big thanks to more nutrition they received daily, the life is also more stable, no need to worry about the meal of tomorrow.

I say non-obese captive big cats are just showing the maximum potential of their respective species.

And it is quite odd that there are very little pure breeding captive Bengal tigers outside of India. Otherwise, the captive Bengal and the captive Amur should be about the same size.

I would say the average lion or Siberian in captivity is larger than their wild counterparts. But it doesn't mean they are "larger" just fatter IMO.
No body size (shoulder height, length) is any different than what I have seen in their wild counter parts. They are far less active and don't need to work for their food, this in turns means they are lazier. Lazier means you become obese and in turn, larger. But muscle mass will be far superior in a wild counter part, while a captive cat will more often than not contain fat, a wild one will not. They will be nothing but muscle unless gorged at the moment.


@Pantherinae
"I did not understand the first question.. was it that if I can see difference between different lion populations across Africa?  "
Correct, I was talking about different populations of africa. I know they differ slightly and its probably hard to really determine with the naked eye unless studied for years. Reply

[GrizzlyClaws]

@Pckts, we can just stop using the quotation, since the interface will get a bit messy. Reply

[Pantherinae]

(11-03-2015, 05:14 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(11-03-2015, 05:11 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: no tigers in that Animal park in Norway was 270 kg,  that was another tiger that was being said to me personally without any confirmation from a zoo keeper at Copenhagen zoo.   
the tigers at the Norwegian Zoo are gigantic, but no monsters. the biggest of them are Ulysses 200+kg. smallest Rex 190 +kg. 
Aslan does dwarf rex so does Ulysses. Aslan is more Massive than Ulysses, but he would not strike you as a much larger animal to be honest, much larger head though.

The largest captive Amur tigers are most likely from China, then follow by Europe/Russia. And in the US, there are very little pure breeding Amur tigers.

As for the largest captive lions, I guess it should be the Europe and the US.

Aslan in the video you posted, is an Animal I've been working with, think he is the biggest lion in Europe. there's to many private jerk's who f*ck's up the tigers in the U.S sadly. 
I guss there are some Safari parks in Africa that has lions bigger than him. Reply

[Pckts]

The largest captive Amur tigers are most likely from China, then follow by Europe/Russia. And in the US, there are very little pure breeding Amur tigers.

As for the largest captive lions, I guess it should be the Europe and the US.
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I think europe definitely has the largest of both specimens, especially when you look at the old circus performances from europe, those cats always look far superior. I mean it makes total sense, Europe received these big cats first, they probably mass inbred these cats throughout the years and sold them to any and all buyers. Im sure irresponsible practices were used and these "mutt cats" were created.

China as well since they pretty much have a lock on siberian genes there at Harbin and those cats look massive but most strike me as overweight as well.

Edit: Sorry for the quotations, I keep forgetting. Reply

[Pckts]

@Pantherinae
"I guss there are some Safari parks in Africa that has lions bigger than him."

I bet its few and far between but I'm sure its possible. You know which park I see a lot of wild animals appearing in the US?

Kruger, for instance, I was just at the San Diego Safari park and they had lions, elephant, rhino and more from there. It was just an observation by me, but I wonder if certain parks contribute more animals to the US and other places than others?

"here's to many private jerk's who f*ck's up the tigers in the U.S sadly. "
No one to blame but the US' greed. The "american dream" creates greed sadly, and many people misuse our constitution as a loop hole to do whatever they want. It is slowly changing though, if you really want to see how bad it is, do your self a favor.
Watch the documentary,
"Elephant in my living room" on net flix.
You will be sickened. Reply

[GrizzlyClaws]

@Pantherinae, Aslan is like an ideal role model for the captive lions, he is pure of muscles with very little fat content.

@Pckts, I agree, since the largest scientifically recorded specimens were from Europe, but in my "big cat canines and claws" thread, there are many massive Amur fangs from the captivity in China. I say that the European Amur and the Chinese Amur are likely comparable in size, maybe the Chinese one is a bit overfed overall.

BTW, we can now fully go back to the lion topic. Reply

[Pantherinae]

@Pckts I can tell where 90% of male lions I see in videos and pictures comes from. both with body shape, face, color and mane. 

when it comes to the mane it's really hard to put words on it, because lions manes are even different in color, thickness, shape and size in the same lion populations, and places like Serengeti which is place where there's such many different habitats in the reserve it's a lot of different manes,  but there are like genereal things. like Kalahari lions does have impressive long manes, but very thin. Kruger male lions does often have either huge manes both dark and light or they have shorter, but vey thick manes, like the Majingilane male lions have quite short(not extremely short) manes, but they are very thick. 
If you wanna see the most impressive manes it's south Serengeti, Masai Mara and Ngorongoro Crater IMO, long, thick and often very dark Reply

[GrizzlyClaws]

Yes, the southern lions overall have more light maned individuals, and those white lions also belong to the mutation of the southern lions.

Aslan overall does look like a Southeast African lion to me, since this type of lion is more common in the captivity of the US and Europe, while in Asia, the Serengeti/Masai lions are more common. Reply

[Pantherinae]

(11-03-2015, 05:55 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Yes, the southern lions overall have more light maned individuals, and those white lions also belong to the mutation of the southern lions.

Aslan overall does look like a Southeast African lion to me, since this type of lion is more common in the captivity of the US and Europe, while in Asia, the Serengeti/Masai lions are more common.

Aslan's father is from Kenya. most lions I've seen in Scandinavia is also this type yes. :) Reply

[GrizzlyClaws]

So he is a mixture of Masai and Kruger.

Since historically the lions from the southern Tanzania shared a lot of genetic exchange with the Kruger lions in their shared geographic proximity, so it is not surprising that some dark maned Kruger lions might share more resemblance with the Serengeti lions. Reply

[Pantherinae]

I'm really not sure what his mother is, but both him and his brother sure looks like real east african males Reply

[Pantherinae]

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one of the most massive looking male lion's I've seen! Ngorongoro Crater Reply

[Pckts]

I can't wait to go!!!!!!!!!!
I'll be the luckiest man in world if I get an encounter like this one. Reply