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05-23-2015, 10:02 AM( This post was last modified: 05-23-2015, 10:06 AM by GuateGojira )
(05-20-2015, 01:23 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: Indeed, thats why I think you use Serengetti for Crater lions etc.
Since you can't find actual weights you should just use locations closest to it.
I think @Gaute is in the process of this, but I don't know for sure. Its cool to see either way.
I don't want to sound too conservative or too exaggerated, but taking in count all the measurements available from lions in East and Southern Africa, lions in the East measure an average of c.274 cm in total length with a head-body of c.180 cm, while those of the southern area measure about c.276 cm with a head-body length of c.190 cm. In shoulder height, there is not to much difference, about 1 m for the two. It seems that southern lions are relative larger and heavier, but it depend of sub-populations too.
Lions in the West of Africa and India are about the same size and weight, difference is minimum, although incredibly, the sample from India is larger (but it came mostly from hunting records). In the weight issue, they are about the same too, Waza lions are as heavy as those from India, with a larger sample.
Finally, although not included in the image, the lions from the north of Africa (Barbary) are no larger than any of the previous populations and based in the few available measurements and skulls, they are of a size between those from the East and the South of Africa.
This is just a summary of the summary, so it don't discriminate between the little variations between sub-populations, but it will help us to get an idea of the two big lion "subspecies" and its clades, depending of the point of view:
1. Indian-Barbary-West Africa lions - Panthera leo leo - the name Panthera leo persica for India should be used only for "conservation and legal" purposes.
2. Sub-Saharan African lion - Panthera leo melanochaita
2.1 East Africa
2.2 Southern Africa
This follow Dubach et al. 2013.
Male lion Bob (in honor of Bob Marley) taken from Tanzania, Serengeti National Park. March 2015. According to photographer he look like Dredd because of Thick and long mane. He looks very impressive and fearsome
Apart from the fact that those lions eat its prey alive, I am impresed about how fast they eat and leavy the carcase clean! I mean, that was in less than 2 or 3 hours, at least.
It is amazing how much can east a hungry cat, those lions ate about 10 kg each in that single meal.
I found this totally amazing video of a couple of males and the Mazithi pride feeding from a buffalo they killed on the road in the Kruger National Park. Towards the end, notice the big young male, look at the size of his body compared with the females and look at his dominant stance in the kill, a good sign for a future dominant male.
And, if you have headphones, please listen the video with them and with a good amount of sound...Aside from the roaring of males, the sounds of lions feeding, and the interactions, is one of the best there is...
Enjoy it.
Amazing video yes !
I noticed the subadult male you mentionned. Perhaps he will be the future dominant male but before, very early, he will be expelled out of the pride. When a subadult male begins to have the last word with the lionesses...
Amazing too the fact that they have killed a big prey, thus there is meat for everybody. But, inevitably, they have to growl, to paw, to bite somebody which comes too close. OK, lions opted for life in prides but always remained so bestial, so wild. As concerns them, it seems that evolution has still a long way to go.
Despite all their contradictions, I find them always so fascinating.
08-10-2015, 11:52 PM( This post was last modified: 08-11-2015, 12:06 AM by GrizzlyClaws )
Sorry, I don't have any info about this event.
But I did assume that the croc had succeeded of killing the lion because of the lion's painful facial expression, and it was pretty much game over for any big cat stranded in the middle of the river.
I remember that one youngster who was attacked in the middle of the river and he escaped but its probably not a common occurrence.
Nice find either way.
TFS
Another one picture of the lion and crocodile interaction showing the lions overpowering the crocodile after it had had attacked one of the younger cubs in the pride with one of the older cubs looking on at Duba Plains,Botswana.
Lion pictures and videos
