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Leopard Predation Thread

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@Roberto I'm glad we can agree on that then. I say gorillas are overrated due to the general perception that a leopard isnt even in question in relation to them when it clearly is. I think you overestimate the general public's knowledge of leopard predation. 

Very interesting account above. If you can find some expansion upon those reports that would be a good read. Without a doubt gorillas are very powerful animals, I just think a little less than most think.
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(09-28-2019, 04:17 PM)Sully Wrote: @Roberto I'm glad we can agree on that then. I say gorillas are overrated due to the general perception that a leopard isnt even in question in relation to them when it clearly is. I think you overestimate the general public's knowledge of leopard predation. 

Very interesting account above. If you can find some expansion upon those reports that would be a good read. Without a doubt gorillas are very powerful animals, I just think a little less than most think.

If some people (mostly young kids) think gorillas can lift cars and bench press 2000 kg, than those are not to be taken seriously. Does not mean gorillas arent strong though. Also, being a primate, they are very intelligent, right up there with elephants.
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(09-28-2019, 04:17 PM)Sully Wrote: @Roberto I'm glad we can agree on that then. I say gorillas are overrated due to the general perception that a leopard isnt even in question in relation to them when it clearly is. I think you overestimate the general public's knowledge of leopard predation. 

Very interesting account above. If you can find some expansion upon those reports that would be a good read. Without a doubt gorillas are very powerful animals, I just think a little less than most think.

For me that story about gorilla killing and then burying a leopard is a little bit too much to take it too seriously. I have read before from more scientific sources, that gorillas don´t bury dead animals. Hunters as sources are somewhat complicated. They have without any doubt a lot of experiences, but then again some stories are such, that I personally can´t avoid thinking about exaggeration or even making up some entertainment. Especially when story contains claims about things, which no-one else have observed. It is common knowledge, that gorillas are afraid of leopards and flee if possible, not fighting unless no other choice.

Gorilla has of course what it takes to kill a leopard, but very difficult to believe, that it would happen without being wounded badly in the process. Leopard isn´t such animal, which just stay still if grabbed. So I personally don´t believe in that story, that it would be accurate description. Then again, as I said before, some things are such, that others believe, others don´t :) Interesting topic and of course all confirmed or plausible cases are interesting to see.
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(09-28-2019, 04:12 PM)Luipaard Wrote: @Roberto 

You're aware that this leopard population differs from others right? They're far more robust compared to other leopard subspecies/populations bar the Persian leopards in Northern Iran. They're the apex predator and prey upon red river hogs and young forest buffalo. 

i am well aware of that. Still it is not as formidable or strong as a Silverback gorilla.

Regarding silverbacks:

Quote:When the group is attacked by humans, leopards, or other gorillas, an individual silverback will protect the group, even at the cost of his own life.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla#Competition

This kind of event actually happened:


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not surprising, male gorillas can fight fiercely and inflict severe wounds.


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Sure, females and young ones may fall victim more regularly than silverbacks. But fact is that all gorilla's, including silverbacks, are prey for leopards.

this statement is just plain wrong. Having 3 or 4 documented cases in history does not mean that silverbacks are on the menu, it just means it happened 3 or 4 times. Its not the norm. All the evidence points to the direction that leopards avoid silverbacks at all costs,  they "slink away into the forest" as shown above. 


Also, do you really believe a gorilla would have the intelligence to snap a leopards neck? Pretty sure it would just charge a leopard and starts slamming with his arms as can be seen here where a silverback thinks he encounters a rival:

why not? Primates are almost as intelligent as elephants. 





Look, gorilla's are strong no doubt. They're far more stronger than us as can be seen here:





But leopards have known to have taken down wildebeests, zebra's, okapi's and even young giraffes. 

the "prey items" of one animal have nothing to do in what would happen in a face to face with between 2 animals. What is the prey of elephants and rhinos? Would they lose a fight?





What makes you think they'll back down when a silverback confronts a leopard? Not forgetting the leopards they face are physically superior to other leopards in Africa or India.

its real simple, backing down from a face to face fight when the ambush fails or when they are seen is the leopards nature.
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A Gorilla is formidable, but there are a lot of fan boys who believe they can crush a Lion or Tiger's skull with one punch.

Anyway, before this turns into a Leopard vs. Gorilla thread, here is Caspian Red Deer (Maral) killed by a Leopard.

It was a pregnant hind, which had its unborn fetus taken out and feasted on by a Leopard.



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"A pregnant mullet was hunted by the leopard in the Black Forest of Amol


News Watch environment and wildlife Iran (iew): the guards Amol yesterday morning (Friday) during a patrol and control in the Black Forest region grove The city is located in the protected area Haraz the wreckage of a red deer (red deer) Article And the carcass of a Meral calf was met.

Examination of the signs and symptoms, including the effects of leopard teeth on the neck of the leopard and the leopard's footprints next to the carcass, show that the leopard has hunted a female puppy who was pregnant in the final months of pregnancy and that the calf was outside the mother's body. He has been feeding and feeding on both carcasses.

Due to the proximity of the carcass to the road and the potential for a collision with a car and ambush by unauthorized hunters next to the carcass for leopard hunting, environmentalists relocate the carcass to protect the leopard and safely away from public view nearby."


http://www.iew.ir/1396/02/09/53549
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Gorilla Predators

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Natural Predators
It is easy to guess that gorillas do not have natural predators when you see the size and power of a male gorilla. Its physical characteristics and its social structure help them to prevent being a prey of other animals, but this does not mean that they are riskless.

Potential predators.
The Congo Basin is a region full of life, where several animal and plant species inhabit. The other places where gorillas dwell, like mountain and swamp forests, are not far behind regarding biodiversity. Gorillas share their habitat with animals such as the African forest buffalo (Syncerus caffer nanus), African gray parrots (Psittacus erithacus), African forest elephants (Loxodonta cyclotis), Giant Forest Hog (Hylochoerus meinertzhageni) and leopards (Panthera pardus).

Leopards have the ability to kill an adult gorilla.

Leopards are big and smart felines that feed on meat from multiple animals.

In their habitat, they can find unsuspecting gorillas susceptible to becoming their food. Leopards are the only animals in their range that have the ability to kill an adult gorilla. It is not an easy task, since the largest primates in the world are unyielding and organized, therefore, at the first sign of threat they emit alarm calls to warn the group. The main advantage of felines is their ability to climb trees quickly and efficiently, which are the places where these primates build their nests.

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Main natural predator of gorillas.

Leopards rarely prey on adult male gorillas, but they do it specifically of western lowland gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla). Usually, they avoid “silverback” leaders that are stronger and focus on young individuals or offspring. Since gorillas live in tropical climates, their remains quickly disappear, consumed by scavengers and insects. On one occasion, the remains of a western lowland gorilla killed by a leopard in Gabon were entirely devoured after 3 or 4 days.

Other potential predators are crocodiles, although incidents with these reptiles are unlikely.

Other possible predators are crocodiles lurking motionless in the water, and can attack them when they come to drink or when they walk in the middle of swamp forests. However, incidents with these reptiles are unlikely, since Gorillas rarely drink water directly from rivers or swamps. Sometimes, gorillas do not die during the attack, but soon after because of the wounds that become infected and they cannot recover.

However, there is no bigger danger for gorillas than humans. Not even the attacks of leopards have such adverse effects on gorilla populations as human activities. The reasons why people hunt gorillas are diverse, but usually with the intention to trade them. Humans capture gorillas alive to sell them or kill them to sell the meat or parts; this is additional to the damage caused to entire populations by destroying or degrading the habitat in which they live.

Defense strategies.
When a gorilla detects a predator nearby, he emits alarm calls (vocalizations) that warn his family about the approaching danger so they can gather, preferably close to the “silverback” leader. He has the responsibility of defending his troop from any predator, including humans.
Females tend to build strong ties with males, so they protect them.

If the intruder does not go, the silverback confronts him and make a menacing display that usually involve, stand on his two legs and beat his chest with both hands and utter loud screams and roars with the intention to look larger and stronger. Young males can lead others away from the predator or attack him all at once. Most of the times, predators prefer not confronting a powerful gorilla that can seriously injure them with their canine teeth, and prefer to walk away.

Females tend to build strong ties with males so that these protect them. Also, this reduces the chances that they kill their offspring.
 
Sources:
https://www.gorillas-world.com/gorilla-predators/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla
https://seaworld.org/en/animal-info/anim...ks/gorilla
http://www.arkive.org/western-gorilla/go...-go12.html
https://www.awf.org/wildlife-conservatio...in-gorilla
http://www.catsg.org/catsglib/recordetai...ordid=5654

BioExpedition Publishing  2017.
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Young Leopard with Baboon kill


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Leopard Predation on Adult Cattle or Livestock



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Miller et. al. (2015) "Livestock losses and hotspots of attack from tigers and leopards in Kanha Tiger Reserve, Central India"


As you can see, leopards  killed water buffalo  ranging from 3-5 years of age. Leopards also killed cattle, or Zebu ages 1-12


For Water Buffalo ages, I searched up growth stages, I found these:



 "According to their age and sex, the animals were divided into four i.e. A1 (young male, 1 - 2 years), A2(young female, 1 - 2 years), B1 (adult male, 3 - 6 years) and B2 (adult female 3 - 6 years)."


 PANHWAR et. al. 2007 "Gross Anatomical Studies on Normal Heart of Buffalo (Bubalus bubalis)"


 "Average body weight of the adult male and female buffaloes varies between 480 and 550 kg and 420 and 450 kg, respectively. Buffaloes attain puberty at a later age than cattle. First conception occurs at an average body weight of 250 to 275 kg, which is usually attained at 24 to 36 months of age."


B.M. Naveena and M. Kiran 2014 "Buffalo meat quality, composition, and processing characteristics:Contribution to the global economy and nutritional security"


^ As you can see I listed the age of adulthood of the water buffalo (ages 3-5) and when they reach 250-275 kg at around 2-3 years of age.




Leopards killing Cow:



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^Not fully sure of source since this were posted on a different forum.





Leopard kills Bull:


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Quote:Officials of the Periyar Tiger Reserve (PTR) have identified the leopard that is said to have killed a bull on an abandoned tea estate at Parunthumpara in Peerumade on Sunday.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/leopard-killed-bull-says-ptr/article6927440.ece
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(09-20-2019, 02:46 AM)Luipaard Wrote: @Spalea Nice feats you've shown there, same for @Styx38 

Here's another amazing feat of a female. It's not only the male making spectacular kills  Wink

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve:

"This young female leopard made an impressive kill yesterday; a fully-grown male bushbuck. Too heavy to hoist, she rested in the riverbed until eventually a hyena came and stole her hard-earned meal."


Here is a female Leopard with her Sambar Stag kill


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From here at 19 minute mark:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7lpnlu


Original documentary is   The Secret Lives of Big Cats: S01 E05 · The Secret Lives of Leopards


The narrator mentioned it was her old Sambar kill.


Just remember that Sambar are the third largest deer after Moose and Roosevelt Elk subspecies.
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(10-13-2019, 11:03 PM)Lycaon Wrote:




That was brutal. The leopard went for the skull at first if you look closely. I wonder where exactly it got bit becouse the stairs got sprayed with blood @4:05
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