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Massive Head, Neck & Muscles

Israel Amnon242 Offline
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not my photo :-)

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captive amur female

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4yo (exactly) male amur. Very average amur tiger

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( This post was last modified: 01-21-2018, 05:25 PM by Amnon242 )

This is a randomly selected image of a lion with exposed arms. I deeply apologize to all lion fans, but I'm not impressed. Lions are wonderfull creatures, but their strenght lies somewhere else. Mods, feel free to delete this post.

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Again, randomly chosen image (I dont make any selection towards weak lions)...I dont want to downgrade lions and to spread any negative energy towards lion fans, but that just how a male lion really looks like.

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I really think that lionesses are more muscular than male lions

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( This post was last modified: 01-21-2018, 05:12 PM by Amnon242 )

I have uploaded randomly selected photos of lions as well as my own photos (I do not have photos of lions with visible impressive muscles). I also have uploaded photos of above average muscular tigers, average tigers, but also a photo of a very slender tiger. Everyone can make their own opinion.

By this I only responded to so called "Stealthcat" and his treatise on the impressive hidden lions' muscles. I do not deny that in some cases it may be so, but it is definitely not the rule. And it's also important to keep an eye on whether the arms are really muscular or rather bony (photos can be misleading).

It is not my goal to initiate a TvL dispute, but I will understand if anyone feels affected and if moderators take appropriate action.
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(01-21-2018, 04:33 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: This is a randomly selected image of a lion with exposed arms. I deeply apologize to all the lions for the fans, but I'm not impressed. Lions are wonderfull creatures, but their strenght lies somewhere else.

No need to apologize, but in all honesty I don't think lions would really care.

In most cases it has to do with the position they're standing in, but even then they're less show-more function in that regard.

Keep in mind most, if not all, of that definition would be hidden by the mane, so there really isn't any point.
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yes, lion fans...mistake :-) the point is that when the lion arms are revealed (well visible) it is obvious that they are often not as muscular as we might expect (based on the muscularity of lionesses or other big cats). In any case, photos are here, everyone can make their own opinion.
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(01-21-2018, 05:30 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: the point is that when the lion arms are revealed (well visible) it is obvious that they are often not as muscular as we might expect (based on the muscularity of lionesses or other big cats).

You mean definition. The muscles are the same.
(01-21-2018, 05:30 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: yes, lion fans...mistake :-)

I don't appreciate the mocking response. I'm not some lion fan boy, don't treat me like one. Especially when I'm agreeing with your point.
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(01-21-2018, 04:53 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Someone could say that I only selected the photos where the lions have weak arms
Uhhhhhh.............................You think? I've seen this movie before.
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( This post was last modified: 01-21-2018, 10:55 PM by Rishi )

(01-21-2018, 07:17 PM)Stealthcat Wrote: The triceps are used for flexing the forearm, the lion is strongest in the muscles that move the humerus.  The body and frame of the lion can be stronger and more muscular also, which would produce more weight and power than just the forearms and triceps being more cut. 

The latisismus dorsi muscle, the back is bulging outward in the 2nd pic, this also aids in swinging the humerus, the trapezius muscles again fitting over the shoulder and neck give strength in moving the shoulder, the added muscularity in the frame and stomach helps contract the frame allowing for more pulling and twisting strength of the torso.  All this aids in fighting.  The lion is strongest where it needs to be for its own role, which is not primarily ambush hunting.  The lionesses and tiger are perhaps more muscular in the triceps which aids in hunting, the lion trades that with arms designed more for endurance and strong frontal assaults.  


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Do you have any presentable valid source to back that up (other than the onmiscient "a guy") or you just cook up things on the way?
If you have, please do present them. 

You've been writing a bit too much of just about anything without siting any source for said claims...

Quote:This is the very role the male lion has, and it is a different one than a solitary cat, it can travel for up to 10 to 12 miles a day patrolling territory, and if it sees invaders it will chase them out running for quite a distance.  Schaller had noted seeing to pride males chasing out an invader for two miles straight.  This is exceptional endurance for a big cat. 

Like this one, is clearly wrong... It can't be that low of a measly 10-12 miles a day for lions.

The same George Schaller, estimated using the average walking speed of a tiger, that tigers in the Kanha National Park travel between 16 to 32 km per night (9.9 miles to 19.9 miles).
There are records which indicate that tigers in eastern Siberia travel 50 km in a day but this is considered to be unusual.
(Source)

PS: Nice pics.
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I think we are getting a little off topic here. All cats are unique in their own ways but some stand above the rest. Showing animals with thinner arms and necks in an impressive arms and shoulder topic isn't the right area to do so. Even some tigers have less definition than other tigers and lions.




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(01-21-2018, 10:09 PM)TheLioness Wrote: I think we are getting a little off topic here. All cats are unique in their own ways but some stand above the rest. Showing animals with thinner arms and necks in an impressive arms and shoulder topic isn't the right area to do so. Even some tigers have less definition than other tigers and lions.

Yes, and it shouldn't be that hard to post pics of both, and express the obvious, like for example that tigers tend to be much more defined in comparison, as a general rule.

It's just a matter of finding a middle ground between a scientific fact and also the personal preferences of each.
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(01-21-2018, 04:46 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: I really think that lionesses are more muscular than male lions

It is not possible for a female mammal to be more muscular than a male mammal of similar stats, baring extreme exceptions and hyenas.
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