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Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts

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@Shadow :

About #750: sorry, indeed I have quite confused the answer you made to wolverine with a reaction to what I told before at the #745.

I got things wrong.
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( This post was last modified: Yesterday, 10:40 AM by Wolverine )

(05-25-2019, 01:06 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 12:44 AM)Wolverine Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 12:14 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Pckts :

About #743: very impressive photo ! An alpha male baboon  is a very huge beast and seeing one of them so close to a leopard without starting to fight each other is awesome.

Could you imagine what will happen with the cat if on the place of baboon was the ancient mega-baboon Dinopithecus ingens 
weighting up to 100 kg, probably the most terrible primate ever roaming the planet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinopithecus


*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author

When looking at that dimensions picture, it just looks odd. It is said, that up to 100 kg, averages much less, then comparing to a human and that looks like something, which should be like 200 kg if not filled with air mostly.

Here is one other picture, where is another extinct primate, estimated to be also up to 100 kg. It looks so different. I wonder if these pictures of dinopithecus are accurate? I mean it looks like bigger than gorilla which after all can be double the weight, which is said about dinopithecus, something just doesn´t feel right now.

This picture is from this site:
https://prehistoric-fauna.com/Theropithecus-oswaldi

Obviously the size of baboon of the lower image is significantly exaggerated by the painter, probably in order to emphasise the horrible nature of the animal, actualy it looks like a creature from horror movie - kind of "werebaboon", its possible that it was created after watching a "Dracula" or listening the music of the Finish singer Tarja Turunen…  Lol
However the image from post #748 even being no doubt more realistic also should not be accepted with 100% trust. It compares average 83 kg man with baboon in its maximal weight (up to 100 kg), both species should be in their average or both in their maximal size. I know from East European forum the guy who created it - we call him "Rom", a Russian artist, very tallanted man, with inspiration and vision, but as long as I know he is not paleontologist or scientist. Neverthelless his images are respected and highly popular in the web. I mean, when we talk about ancient animal we can never be sure how it looked like externally, always with prehistoric beasts the fantasy play significant role.
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( This post was last modified: Yesterday, 08:09 PM by Shadow )

(Yesterday, 05:54 AM)Wolverine Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 01:06 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 12:44 AM)Wolverine Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 12:14 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Pckts :

About #743: very impressive photo ! An alpha male baboon  is a very huge beast and seeing one of them so close to a leopard without starting to fight each other is awesome.

Could you imagine what will happen with the cat if on the place of baboon was the ancient mega-baboon Dinopithecus ingens 
weighting up to 100 kg, probably the most terrible primate ever roaming the planet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinopithecus


*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author

When looking at that dimensions picture, it just looks odd. It is said, that up to 100 kg, averages much less, then comparing to a human and that looks like something, which should be like 200 kg if not filled with air mostly.

Here is one other picture, where is another extinct primate, estimated to be also up to 100 kg. It looks so different. I wonder if these pictures of dinopithecus are accurate? I mean it looks like bigger than gorilla which after all can be double the weight, which is said about dinopithecus, something just doesn´t feel right now.

This picture is from this site:
https://prehistoric-fauna.com/Theropithecus-oswaldi

Obviously the size of baboon of the lower image is significantly exaggerated by the painter, probably in order to emphasise the horrible nature of the animal, actualy it looks like a creature from horror movie - kind of "werebaboon", its possible that it was created after watching a "Dracula" or listening the music of the Finish singer Tarja Turunen…  Lol
However the image from post #748 even being no doubt more realistic also should not be accepted with 100% trust. It compares average 83 kg man with baboon in its maximal weight (up to 100 kg), both species should be in their average or both in their maximal size. I know from East European forum the guy who created it - we call him "Rom", a Russian artist, very tallanted man, with inspiration and vision, but as long as I know he is not paleontologist or scientist. Neverthelless his images are respected and highly popular in the web. I mean, when we talk about ancient animal we can never be sure how it looked like externally, always with prehistoric beasts the fantasy play significant role.

I can´t help but it looks like to be grossly exaggerated for me. It would be nice to see some figures about length of bones etc. Maybe he has made a mistake in it, that when talking about shoulder height he has thought when animal is on all fours and it has been meant in reality when standing on hind legs. If that animal would be that big and stand on hind legs, it would over 2 meters based on that picture.

I read that dinopithecus males are estimated to be normally under 50 kg and 100 kg would be then extremely big individual. When comparing to clearly bigger gorillas, that picture of Rom just doesn´t make sense to me. But I haven´t seen any bone measurements of dinopithecus, maybe there are some to justify drawing that animal like that? I mean when thinking about length of those limbs, we would be talking about an animal even in maximum half the weight of big gorilla and still it would be taller and longer limbs?
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(Yesterday, 02:26 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(Yesterday, 05:54 AM)Wolverine Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 01:06 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 12:44 AM)Wolverine Wrote:
(05-25-2019, 12:14 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Pckts :

About #743: very impressive photo ! An alpha male baboon  is a very huge beast and seeing one of them so close to a leopard without starting to fight each other is awesome.

Could you imagine what will happen with the cat if on the place of baboon was the ancient mega-baboon Dinopithecus ingens 
weighting up to 100 kg, probably the most terrible primate ever roaming the planet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinopithecus


*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author

When looking at that dimensions picture, it just looks odd. It is said, that up to 100 kg, averages much less, then comparing to a human and that looks like something, which should be like 200 kg if not filled with air mostly.

Here is one other picture, where is another extinct primate, estimated to be also up to 100 kg. It looks so different. I wonder if these pictures of dinopithecus are accurate? I mean it looks like bigger than gorilla which after all can be double the weight, which is said about dinopithecus, something just doesn´t feel right now.

This picture is from this site:
https://prehistoric-fauna.com/Theropithecus-oswaldi

Obviously the size of baboon of the lower image is significantly exaggerated by the painter, probably in order to emphasise the horrible nature of the animal, actualy it looks like a creature from horror movie - kind of "werebaboon", its possible that it was created after watching a "Dracula" or listening the music of the Finish singer Tarja Turunen…  Lol
However the image from post #748 even being no doubt more realistic also should not be accepted with 100% trust. It compares average 83 kg man with baboon in its maximal weight (up to 100 kg), both species should be in their average or both in their maximal size. I know from East European forum the guy who created it - we call him "Rom", a Russian artist, very tallanted man, with inspiration and vision, but as long as I know he is not paleontologist or scientist. Neverthelless his images are respected and highly popular in the web. I mean, when we talk about ancient animal we can never be sure how it looked like externally, always with prehistoric beasts the fantasy play significant role.

I can´t help but it looks like to be grossly exaggerated for me. It would be nice to see some figures about length of bones etc. Maybe he has made a mistake in it, that when talking about shoulder height he has thought when animal is on all fours and it has been meat in reality when standing on hind legs. If that animal would be that big ans stand on hind legs, it would over 2 meters based on that photo.

I read that dinopithecus males are estimated to be normally under 50 kg and 100 kg would be then extremely big individual. When comparing to clearly bigger gorillas, that picture of Rom just doesn´t make sense to me. But I haven´t seen any bone measurements of dinopithecus, maybe there are some to justify drawing that animal like that? I mean when thinking about length of those limbs, we would be talking about an animal even in maximum half the weight of big gorilla and still it would be taller and longer limbs?

But maybe we should continue this discussion in big apes thread.
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