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Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences

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(12-29-2022, 07:58 AM)Styx38 Wrote:
(12-27-2022, 07:03 PM)Pckts Wrote:
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That's a vague statement isn't it? Especially considering that male leopards have a similar maximum shoulder height as male jaguars. In mass jaguaresses and male leopards too are similar. He isn't even comparing cats; he's boasting the jaguars because that's what Marlon Dutoit does.

No jaguaress is going to dwarf big Persian males from northern Iran but at the same time that jaguaress he mentions could be thrice the size of an Arabian male leopard. Again it's a vague statement.
Shoulder height isn’t indicative of a cats size and similar isn’t the same.

Female Jaguars from the Pantanal are going to dwarf male Leopards which is what was stated. Not that they’ll dwarf the largest individuals of the Leopard species. And regardless of location, female Pantanal  Jaguars will be larger than any male leopard subspecies. The largest Persians, Africans and Indians will all overlap with Female Jaguars for sure but the biggest of them more often is the Female Panatanal Jaguar. 

Lastly, there’s no discrediting Marlon, he’s seen 100s of leopards and dozens of Jaguars, he’s not making uneducated claims.


Not trying to argue with Marlon, but what national parks has he gone to for Leopards?

https://instagram.com/marlondutoit?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=

He’s seen leopards from all over E/S Africa. 
Name a major park and he’s probably been there.


Ok.

So did he go as a guide or a tourist to all tthese parks?

Also you mentioned that he went to India?

He’s a guide. He’s been to few parks in India and the Pantanal as well. You can view his IG and see all this if you want.


So he worked as a guide in other parks?

Also, he saw Leopards in India?

I just want to point out that it is very hard to see a Leopard let alone get a good photograph due to their elusive nature. 

If you want an anecdote, then I did not see a Leopard in any Kenyan park apart from Maasai Mara. That to with the persistence with the guide after he got contact with someone else about a Leopard sighting. It was worth it to finally get the Leopard on camera. Granted, the Leopard was a sub adult male trying to hunt down some Impala. The tourist cars also surrounded the Leopard, cutting off any possible hunt.

In India, they are flighty when they realize that they are spotted by tourists. In Pench, a Leopard was spotted by our jeep. However, the Leopard just darted into some nearby cover, then escaped our sight. The only thing we got to photograph was a tiny bit of the Leopard's tail in the bush.  In another park, we saw a Leopard trying to hunt some Deer. The alarm calls occured, and the Leopard darted across the road. What is is funny is that even at a good distance, the Leopard moves like a blur. The Leopard actually covered several meters and reached the top of a small incline or hill in the blink of an eye. We got to get a last glimpse of the Leopard before the panther disappeared over the incline. I guess the Leopard's speed might have been comparable if not even greater than a local Coyote's speed. It is interesting to see an animal moving at a blur since it looks almost like something out of a comic book movie. Keep in mind both these Leopards were either small or medium sized.

All I can say is that I have to commend Marlon for getting a good observation of these Leopards since they are usually the most difficult carnivores to spot in the wild.

Also, an acquaintance recommended to travel to Kruger since saw a Leopard there. Can you see a large male Leopard more easily in this park?

He saw leopards in India as well. He’s seen 100s throughout all the parks mentioned, if you check his IG like I mentioned you can see many documented. 

With regards to first hand experiences. I saw 4/5 different leopards in Tanzania when I went including a massive male with a kill stashed in a tree and we got to spend 30 mins with an older male in India (Tadoba)
Leopards are certainly harder to see in India compared to Africa but everything is harder to see in India due to the dense forests. With regards to Kruger Leopard sightings, I can't comment because I don't know but generally speaking I'd assume all sightings are more difficult in E. Africa due to the true free ranging nature there.


Ok.

He was a guide in East Africa so he had access to the best viewing of local Leopards.

Was he also a guide in India?

I shared my anecdotes to show how hard it is to spot let alone photograph a Leopard. Even some of my associates can vouch for the elusiveness of the Leopard be it Africa, India or Sri Lanka.

The guy who saw the Leopard in Kruger never saw the Big Cat in any other park of Southern Africa. Maasai Mara is probably the only major park in East Africa where there is a guarantee for seeing all the major carnivores (Cheetah, Spotted Hyena, Leopard, Lion).

He’s a guide in S. Africa and E. At times. 
He never guided in India.
And any big cat is hard to see in general, there is no guarantee but none of that changes the fact that he’s seen 100s of leopards throughout Africa and they’re documented. *photos on his IG and FB with geo tags*
Also, you can pretty much guarantee all animals mentioned in the Serengeti as well. Cheetah being the toughest to spot but still common enough there.

So I’m at a loss with what exactly you’re trying to say?
Is it that Marlon hasn’t seen these cats numerous times?
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